[rhuru]

Common sense. EVs are amazing but they are not where close to being practical replacement for ICE engines. Governments should stop subdizing rich people's EVs and insteead help make more efficient and cheaper ICE engines.

[majormajor]

> Governments should stop subdizing rich people's EVs and insteead help make more efficient and cheaper ICE engines.

In the US the government has been helping (by a definition of "helping" that means "forcing the development of by tightening emissions and efficiency requirements") that development of more-efficient for decades.

It's not an either-or for that vs EVs. And it's also not exactly popular either; not hard to find people bemoaning the loss of naturally-aspirated engines and higher displacement. The market has repeatedly also chosen "more powerful" over "cheaper" for decades now.

Possibly some targeting of hybrid subsidies as well would help, but it seems like a lot of hybrids are already doing quite well in the market (e.g. Ford Maverick), so I'm not entirely sure why manufacturers aren't already moving in that direction more after being initially surprised by the demand.

But I'm also very unconvinced that cheaper ICE engines or more hybrids are what Buick dealers want.

[_ea1k]

I could be wrong, but I think the current "EV Tax incentive" applies to PHEVs and that it is actually easier for a manufacturer to take advantage of it with a pHEV than a full EV.

[thebruce87m]

I’ve replaced my diesel with an EV and it’s better in every way. Cheaper to run, less waiting since I charge at home, faster car, more spacious inside, better tech. Definitely a practical replacement for some.

The fuel savings alone are around £1,200/year for me on 10k miles per year. Once the price of the cars come down this will be a big saving for a lot of people.

[pardoned_turkey]

It's a bit weird because electricity delivered to your home is generally more expensive than fossil fuels. What currently makes EVs cheaper to operate is that at the pump, you pay hefty taxes that go toward road maintenance and related purposes. For now, this taxation disparity incentivizes driving EVs. In the long haul, this will probably go away.

I'm surprised by the "more spacious" comment, however. In the same size class, EVs tend to be more cramped because of how much space is needed for batteries. Even for large cars, like the Cybertruck, the trade-offs are fairly evident. No spare tire, for example.

[Geisterde]

Well thats the rub innit. I loved the bmw i3, I love my tesla even more, but they are f'in expensive cars, my coworkers are coming to work in beaters that cost less than a fifth of what I spent on my model 3, my down payment was more than several of the cars in my parking lot.

[itsoktocry]

>less waiting

This is such a nonsensical argument. I own two cars, and have a bit of a commute. I gas up once a week, it takes 10 minutes. What are you "waiting" for? There's a gas station on the corner in every town across North America.

Meanwhile, the same EV crowd talk about stopping for 30 minutes at a time on road trip to charge and go to the washroom.

[timbit42]

If by, "more efficient ... ICE engines", you mean, HEVs and PHEVs, I agree. They're not cheaper though.

Until EVs have matured more and become less expensive than ICEVs, PHEVs are the best option and HEVs are the second best option.

Also, the term, "ICE engines", is redundant.

[emestifs]

Gotta love the comment section, anyone can write anything they feel like, regardless of...well anything.

[AllegedAlec]

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[jupp0r]

You should visit Norway sometime.

[Racing0461]

every year that 400k number gets whittle down. pretty soon someone making poverty level wages at 24k a year is going to be in the group that gets "taxed".

[onethought]

- Average miles driven per day: 67.

- Average cost of a new vehicle: $48,000

- Fastest selling vehicle ever made: Tesla Model Y.

Just some data points to consider.

[TrueSlacker0]

Damn I am such an outlier if those numbers are actually true.

Avg miles drive per day:5 (1.5mile commute each way + some extra generous miles)

Avg cost of a new vehicle: idk I've never bought a new vehicle. My last vehicle was a used repo and purchased in 2009. Still going strong.

Fastest selling vehicle ever made: without some data point this seems like complete bs. Toyota, Ford, Honda, insert every major car company, makes more vehicles per year than Tesla could dream about.