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robertlacok | 2 years ago

A huge downside of writing this down on paper is team collaboration. Imagine that instead this is kept in a tool like Notion which the entire team can access. At first this feels incredibly uncomfortable - your notes are there for everyone to see. However it’s a massive force multiplier because often the work is picked up by someone else later on, and instead of asking you they can self-serve. It’s pretty common that by the time they need it you would no longer be at the company.

I don’t have experience writing in a lab journal format, but for documents like growth experiments and how they worked, or RFCs, this is a godsend. It takes a lot of work to keep it tidy, but it’s worth it.

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tomjakubowski|2 years ago

Absolutely not. My working / lab notes capture raw thoughts, often abbreviated and with shortcuts taken. Others would have trouble gleaning much meaning from them, with so many scratched out words, wildly drawn arrows, and peculiar diagrams.

Take my raw notes, rewrite them for another audience, and post those on Notion? Maybe. But it's likely a different document (an essay, tutorial, FAQ) could be rewritten out of my notes, one which would be more useful for my teammates.

diracs_stache|2 years ago

I agree with having shared team documentation but this has always been gray for me. My notebook ( and my softcopy log for the week) are incredibly raw (one-lines through mistakes, my personal commentary/snark, "napkin math",etc.). I am willing to share them with teammates/our lead/ or whoever may benefit but this has backfired on me. We perform analytical verification work and I've seen middling performers on our team look to avoid performing thorough work by copying from the notes of someone else ( I get this is work and not school so typical academic rules don't apply but our work is very investigative/exploratory in it's nature, performing derivations to ensure our approach is correct is encouraged and not considered a waste of time. Also contexts change quickly and a deep understanding is necessary) Thus when someone is trying to take a shortcut it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Also "micro-managers" see pages of notes open and treat it as fair game to pull up to my desk and expect immediate updates instead of requesting reasonably or waiting for the appropriate forum. I get this is a culture/staff issue more so than other things.

throwaway914|2 years ago

I maintain a daily email to myself in a shared mailbox. I have 3 sections:

SIGNIFICANT

  \* topic1

    \* this happened

  \* topic2
DONE

  \* This project

    \* Made this change

    \* Made another change

  \* Some training

    \* Completed this section
TODO ...

I'm in a setting where I'm incredibly temporary. I could be tasked elsewhere tomorrow. Every day I reply to my previous email and work on the draft throughout the day as my notebook. At the end of the day I send it, received in the mailbox I'm attending. I title the email "Captain's Log" and my supervisor and peers can read it, as well as the draft, whenever. This keeps them clued in on where my head is at, what I'm working on, etc. Great for performance reviews mostly. Not as convenient as something like my Remarkable tablet.

kijin|2 years ago

> instead of asking you they can self-serve. It’s pretty common that by the time they need it you would no longer be at the company.

All lab notebooks are company property. You don't keep them locked away in your desk or take them with you when you leave. Any current or future employee with the right clearances should be able to serve themselves to the entire archive. No need to ask the original author.

Searchability is by far the most significant advantage of electronic documents, but you can get pretty far with paper notebooks if you keep a decent table of contents. Even better if you regularly scan, OCR, and upload your pages to the archive. IMO the inconvenience of scanning is greatly outweighed by the paper notebook's guarantee of immutability. Tools like Notion make it too easy to erase information, either accidentally or not.

hodgesrm|2 years ago

This is a render-unto-Caesar problem. It all depends on the audience. Here's what works for me.

1. Email is good for sharable things like interview or meeting notes. It's searchable and you can dump it to Google Docs/Notion from the draft if that's appropriate. Using Gmail keeps you from trying to format it too much while writing.

2. My lab book is for me. Writing with pen/paper forces one to sort out ideas up front--not a lot but just enough for them to make sense and be readable later.

It seems as if everyone will have a different take on this.

oslem|2 years ago

I agree that it’s useful for the rest of the team to have access to your notes, but I find that it’s far more useful to write my notes with a pen and paper rather than typing them out. It forces me to slow down and think through what I’m doing, in addition to aiding in memorizing the parts of my notes that I find important.

cratermoon|2 years ago

The important point is that the raw notes are for the note-taker. They not only document what you thought, they are themselves a part of and tool for the thinking process. Writing is thinking[1], and the initial results aren't going to be very useful for someone else, because they'll be rambling and messy, with lots of false starts, errors, and just wrong ideas. They're for the author to remember the path to the outcome[2], they are not the outcome itself.

For the rest of the team, those raw notes are source material. That can be the input into lightweight documents like technical memos and decision records.

1. https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/higher-ed-gamma/writing...

2. https://posts.oztamir.com/the-opposite-of-forgetting-is-writ...