[kanavs]

With all of this, I still don’t understand how Tesla manages to sell any cars, let alone 1.8M cars in 2023.

[maximus-decimus]

The Toyota EV also had tires falling off and recent Hyundai/Kia cars were catching on fire because the engine was overheating from the automatic stop/start when you stop. Jeep has transmission issues where theirs cars would go to neutral on their own, which ended up with Anton Yelchin dying at 27 years old crushed against a fence by his own car. I believe Honda has problems with manual transmissions going out of gear while you were driving and just refused to address the problem for a long ass time.

They're all bad. There's a whole scene in the Fight Club movie where they explain every car company will refuse to fix a deadly problem unless they calculate the lawsuits will cost them more than the fix, and I believe it.

[rad_gruchalski]

Tires falling off must be a special magical failure. Wheels I’d understand but tires?

[yoavm]

Isn't the world filled with crap being sold in crazy amounts purely for marketing and branding? It seems to me like the only surprise is that somehow, generally speaking, the car industry had some correlation of cost:quality until Tesla came about. Other industries (I'm thinking fashion/food) had lost that correlation long ago.

[Infinitesimus]

Not really until tesla - Mercedes has been excitedly shipping creaky piano black plastic for years and I'm sure there are many other brands cutting corners to reduce price. (Porsche doesn't seem to care which is good)

[belltaco]

Because issues with other cars are not given wide media attention like Teslas. And HN is far worse in that regard.

> According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Ford issued 55 safety recalls in 2023, down from 67 last year. The repair campaigns affected 5.9 million vehicles, down from 8.6 million in 2022, which put the automaker in second place for the total number of vehicles recalled. Honda’s 19 recalls affected 6.3 million cars.

> Chrysler issued the second-highest number of recalls, at 45. Kia came in third for the total number of recalled cars, with more than 3 million affected by its 20 repair campaigns.

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/in-2023-ford-again-led-nation-i...

How many of those did you see reported on HN?

And many of Tesla's recalls are OTA updates, and even software update recalls show up on HN.

[chris222]

So true. Elsewhere in this thread I cited 3 major recent suspension recalls for issues that were as bad or worse than Teslas.

[SkyPuncher]

They did a few things right that the legacy manufacturers just can’t freaking figure out.

* their charging infrastructure is by far the best. Regardless of coverage, their chargers are typically in working condition.

* they actually put enough power in their powertrain. No dinky, slow cars. Fast, powerful cars. They’re fun to drive when you want them to be fun.

* technology.

[LargeTomato]

Tesla hired extremely talented engineers to design their cars. You can't really say the same for e.g. Ford. Tesla tackled the engineering problem from a hardware and software perspective. You can't say the same of really any traditional automaker.

[chris222]

If you look at the things people care about in modern BEVs its easy to see why Tesla is winning.

Price, range, charging speed & reliability, performance and software.

It’s pretty obvious at this point with the entire auto indistry switching to NACS that Tesla won.

[rcpt]

Also skipping the dealership salesman

[chris222]

All cars have these issues. The article is more hit peice than real journalism which would include statsitics from all automakers. Remember we have lemon laws? Writing negative things about Tesla just gets more hits.

[SV_BubbleTime]

It’s hard to determine how many people actually hate the product, or just now really hate the figurehead. I’ve seen the mask slip some here and there.

[hef19898]

Actually no, most cars don't have suspension failures...

[chris222]

Despite this hit peice they still make some of the best BEVs when you consider range, price, charging speed/network and software. These are things customers care the most about. Every brand has reliability and quality issues and tesla is in the middle of the pack statistically.

You might want to study the issues with the non-tesla fast chargers in the United States to see what customers really care about.

[Rebelgecko]

They're still the best (especially with the Bolt being discontinued) option in the US if you want an EV under $40k

[willcipriano]

The magical part to me is these were the greatest cars ever until Musk bought Twitter.

[acdha]

You missed a decade of complaints? Under the previous ownership, videos of Tesla “FSD” making dangerous decisions were a Twitter staple for years.

[4b11b4]

I think you answered your own question: there isn't a "with all of this".

[rcpt]

What else are you going to buy? A Chevy?