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GreedClarifies | 2 years ago

So in its initial form it is indeed a complete waste of tax payers money.

Shocking.

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jacobyoder|2 years ago

Absolutist takes like this never achieve much.

Yes, it could be better. But an mvp-type launch that does some things well, without trying to achieve everything on day one, would definitely not be a "complete waste". If successful, it's laying the base for the next iterations of functionality.

For a lot of folks, they have one or two W2 forms to enter, and that's it. It's really not that hard. If even a million or so folks get benefit from it to start with, that's great, and we should then build on that.

nerdponx|2 years ago

Let's also remember the context of this project. It's not just an overly-cautious MVP rollout. This project is something that has tremendous resistance against it, for stupid reasons, but the resistance exists nonetheless. Much like ACA benefits, people will only realize it's actually a good idea after they've gotten used to it. Starting small, with a minimal project that is most likely to succeed, is the best way to ensure that the project can continue at larger scale in the future.

GreedClarifies|2 years ago

The IRS should play try to create an actual MVP. Create an API which allow for efile (which I assume already exists given turbotax) and create an API which allows the download whatever information the IRS has on the tax payer.

Then allow companies or open source software to create whatever value add they want on top of these APIs.

That sounds like a minimalist launch.

calamari4065|2 years ago

"It isn't completely and totally perfect from the very first moment so it's a complete waste of time and money"

How does it feel to be the smartest person on the planet?

ndriscoll|2 years ago

If it gives feature parity with the existing solution, it seems fine as a start. At least we'll presumably be able to file on a .gov now instead of freefilefillableforms.com, which seems like it was chosen to be intentionally sketchy looking.

Edit: actually looks like it doesn't reach parity with the existing free e-file system and only covers the simplest cases, and "the annual cost of a direct-file system could range from $64 million to $249 million" sounds absolutely absurd to me.

no_wizard|2 years ago

Why is it that when private institutions make software they’re suppose to “iterate fast” and quickly get an MVP out

But when a government agency is working in software, suddenly all the best practices are a “waste of tax payer money”

Seems silly

ghaff|2 years ago

Who says iterate fast is always a best practice for private companies?

AlexandrB|2 years ago

> So in its initial form it is indeed a complete waste of tax payers money.

Certainly no worse than the decades of fees taxpayers have been sending to Intuit and co.

lupusreal|2 years ago

I'm with you; if I still have to fill in the paperwork then quite literally what is the point? I'll continue paying an accountant to do this bullshit. This 'new' system is useless to me.

themadturk|2 years ago

You're not me. The tax situation covered by this initiative fits my needs perfectly. Fine, there's nothing wrong with you paying. Not all of us have that kind of money.

unethical_ban|2 years ago

You're not the only taxpayer in the country. Other people might benefit.

You have an accountant, so you're already a minority of citizens. Open your mind.