Damn. Gonna really boost Apple Music and Apple TV+ then over time if Apple Vision Pro works out. Already both great products. Especially with the more recent improvements made to Apple Music.
I don't expect Apple Vision Pro to be more than a niche product, at least not in its current form. It is simply too expensive.
It is more of a proof-of-concept thing, so that Apple can show off their "vision" of VR. If successful, it may lead to a mass market product in the future, but by that time, YouTube, Nexflix, Spotify, etc... may actually provide first party support.
True. I'm a huge VR enthusiast working in IT and even some VR/AR projects.
And I wouldn't even consider this unless it drops below 2000€. It's just insanely priced. Here in Europe with tax it'll be way beyond 4000€. And I own multiple Quests. And a gaming pc with 4090. All those added up didn't cost that much.
Of course it won't be as good at a €1500-2000 price point but I don't care. If it's three times as good as the quest 3 for 3 times the price, it would be amazing.
But my point is, if even an enthusiast like me won't even consider it.. And I travelled to a different country to wait for hours before opening to buy the first iPad :) A product I wasn't even as passionate about as AR/VR.
They're clearly aiming at the richest 1% even in the western world. But those are not necessarily the kind that would have affinity for this stuff. And the people that have enough money to buy it as a toy will have a lot of money to buy a lot more toys all competing for their attention.
I think a lot of these are going to get bought and end up as an expensive showpiece without seeing much use. The amount of people who have both the affinity to make the most of it and the purchasing power to actually buy it will be so few.
The Vision Pro is definitely for early adopters, they've priced it so high that "normal" consumers won't even consider it.
Unless this flops completely and developers/Apple can't figure out actual use cases, there _will_ be a Vision Regular with all the stuff removed that's not 100% necessary for the main use cases (like the stupid "see your eyes from the outside screen :D) and it will be a lot more affordable.
Curious how many Apple TV+ users are out there. Despite all the noises, I don't personally know anyone who used the service, or often, even heard of shows on that platform. They never release subscriber numbers (of course), and Apple likely doesn't care if it loses money during early stages. But everyone knows streaming is mostly a money losing business, and wonder how Apple is doing there
I don't know, but I gave it a try for a few months and was seriously disappointed. I tried 3 series, watched them to the end, and all 3 were severely lacking in quality. They had good casts, good sets, good music, but the stories were all very shallow and predictable.
Not to mention weird bugs in the iPadOS app - if you try to download more than X episodes too quickly, like because you're at the airpot before boarding a plane and want an offline cache to last the long flight, the downloads fail with a useless (classic Apple) error message, and nothing outside of a restart of the device fixes it. I hit this a few times, and there are forum reports going back years.
So yeah, had one free month, paid for 2, and cancelled because it isn't even close to being worth it.
GuB-42|2 years ago
It is more of a proof-of-concept thing, so that Apple can show off their "vision" of VR. If successful, it may lead to a mass market product in the future, but by that time, YouTube, Nexflix, Spotify, etc... may actually provide first party support.
wkat4242|2 years ago
And I wouldn't even consider this unless it drops below 2000€. It's just insanely priced. Here in Europe with tax it'll be way beyond 4000€. And I own multiple Quests. And a gaming pc with 4090. All those added up didn't cost that much.
Of course it won't be as good at a €1500-2000 price point but I don't care. If it's three times as good as the quest 3 for 3 times the price, it would be amazing.
But my point is, if even an enthusiast like me won't even consider it.. And I travelled to a different country to wait for hours before opening to buy the first iPad :) A product I wasn't even as passionate about as AR/VR.
They're clearly aiming at the richest 1% even in the western world. But those are not necessarily the kind that would have affinity for this stuff. And the people that have enough money to buy it as a toy will have a lot of money to buy a lot more toys all competing for their attention.
I think a lot of these are going to get bought and end up as an expensive showpiece without seeing much use. The amount of people who have both the affinity to make the most of it and the purchasing power to actually buy it will be so few.
theshrike79|2 years ago
Unless this flops completely and developers/Apple can't figure out actual use cases, there _will_ be a Vision Regular with all the stuff removed that's not 100% necessary for the main use cases (like the stupid "see your eyes from the outside screen :D) and it will be a lot more affordable.
Not Quest 3 prices, but still cheaper.
d3w4s9|2 years ago
sofixa|2 years ago
Not to mention weird bugs in the iPadOS app - if you try to download more than X episodes too quickly, like because you're at the airpot before boarding a plane and want an offline cache to last the long flight, the downloads fail with a useless (classic Apple) error message, and nothing outside of a restart of the device fixes it. I hit this a few times, and there are forum reports going back years.
So yeah, had one free month, paid for 2, and cancelled because it isn't even close to being worth it.
mensetmanusman|2 years ago