We don’t even know what like, 20% of the genes do. Simulations are neat, but they miss a lot of underlying biology that actually makes an impact on engineering.
If you read the article you'd know that that's exactly why organisms such as JCVI-syn3A were created, where we know the (or at least some) function of 80% of the genes.
Have you ever wondered how life’s most basic units, cells, operate? As a programmer and cell biology enthusiast, I embarked on a journey to simulate the simplest cell using TypeScript.
In biology, there’s a whole field of research dedicated to minimizing cells and their complexity. If you message “John Glass” he might be interested in having you model his work!
Edit: oops you’ve already modeled John’s work! That’s awesome. :D I’ve attended a few talks by John and I think he’d still be interested in seeing whether the modeling side of things can explain why he can’t get the minimal cell smaller.
[1] This operon was the first that was discovered, the idea is that the cell produce the enzymes to eat lactose only if there is lactose and there is no glucose.
> We do not simulate any operonal structures for protein-coding genes and transcribe each gene individually. Once transcriptomics data becomes available for Syn3A to determine operonal structures, we can incorporate transcription of operons into this model.
I gave a talk at that workshop! (I’m making the 61 codon version of JCVI-Syn3a)
You can get the cells as a researcher, but basically forget about it for a commercial user or hobbyist. They’re also annoying as hell to grow. I’m trying to synthesize it from scratch for the precise reason of freeing it from MTAs (material transfer agreements)
Interesting blog post, based on an interesting paper.
For a bit more background, there's been a couple of posts on the "minimal cell" concept on Derek Lowe's venerable In the Pipeline blog. This 2016 post [1] talks about the initial development of the JCVI-syn3.0 cell; this 2023 post [2] goes over a paper that studied the evolutionary dynamics of these minimal cells.
I wonder if it would be possible to simplify the task further, by removing cell reproduction processes? As far as I understand, an "immortal" non-replicating cell does not exist in nature, but there is nothing that prevents an artificial one from existing, especially if it has ways to repair cellular damage.
Many (if not most) end-of-lineage cell in higher mammals are non-replicating. They are, technically, not immortal, but some live a very long time, like neurons.
I like your experiment idea though, and I think it would be really interesting. If you publish your results, I can already see critics coming out of the bushes and shouting "immortality is immoral!", "unnatural!!!" and "it's a virus! it's a virus!". Oh how we like our value judgements...
This is really amazing. I wonder if confounders such as transcriptional bursting[1] are modelled too? I did not check but I assume cell-cycle is readily modelled.
1: The tendency of a single cell to perform transcription in bursts of activity/inactivity, which averages in bulk tissue as a continuous variable.
They use a master equation for transcription, so they could theoretically get bursty behavior. But, my understanding is that the most well understood cause of burstiness is caused in eukaryotic cells by rearrangement of histones allowing transcription. Since this happens on a slower timescale than transcription you get bursts when the histones periodically get out of the way.
Bacteria (like this minimal cell) don’t have histones but they do have bursty transcription, which is weird. Apparently it might be caused by DNA supercoiling and uncoiling [1], which is weird and cool. That said, they definitely don’t model that, so I’d be surprised if they got bursting transcription. If they did, I’d be interested in knowing what mechanism is causing the transcription bursts in the model.
[+] [-] koeng|2 years ago|reply
One of my favorite papers was published 40 years ago on this topic https://pitp.ias.edu/sites/pitp/files/morowitz-completeness_...
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[+] [-] ramraj07|2 years ago|reply
https://www.cell.com/cancer-cell/pdf/S1535-6108(02)00133-2.p...
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Edit: oops you’ve already modeled John’s work! That’s awesome. :D I’ve attended a few talks by John and I think he’d still be interested in seeing whether the modeling side of things can explain why he can’t get the minimal cell smaller.
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[+] [-] gus_massa|2 years ago|reply
[1] This operon was the first that was discovered, the idea is that the cell produce the enzymes to eat lactose only if there is lactose and there is no glucose.
[+] [-] agnosis|2 years ago|reply
> We do not simulate any operonal structures for protein-coding genes and transcribe each gene individually. Once transcriptomics data becomes available for Syn3A to determine operonal structures, we can incorporate transcription of operons into this model.
[1] https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(21)01488-4
[+] [-] 331c8c71|2 years ago|reply
I am wondering if other researchers can procure or produce these cells or these are rather a know-how of JCVI?
[+] [-] koeng|2 years ago|reply
You can get the cells as a researcher, but basically forget about it for a commercial user or hobbyist. They’re also annoying as hell to grow. I’m trying to synthesize it from scratch for the precise reason of freeing it from MTAs (material transfer agreements)
[+] [-] DylanSp|2 years ago|reply
For a bit more background, there's been a couple of posts on the "minimal cell" concept on Derek Lowe's venerable In the Pipeline blog. This 2016 post [1] talks about the initial development of the JCVI-syn3.0 cell; this 2023 post [2] goes over a paper that studied the evolutionary dynamics of these minimal cells.
[1] https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/smallest-viable-ge...
[2] https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/ground
[+] [-] zkirill|2 years ago|reply
[+] [-] dsign|2 years ago|reply
Many (if not most) end-of-lineage cell in higher mammals are non-replicating. They are, technically, not immortal, but some live a very long time, like neurons.
I like your experiment idea though, and I think it would be really interesting. If you publish your results, I can already see critics coming out of the bushes and shouting "immortality is immoral!", "unnatural!!!" and "it's a virus! it's a virus!". Oh how we like our value judgements...
[+] [-] majkinetor|2 years ago|reply
[+] [-] mtekman|2 years ago|reply
1: The tendency of a single cell to perform transcription in bursts of activity/inactivity, which averages in bulk tissue as a continuous variable.
[+] [-] bglazer|2 years ago|reply
Bacteria (like this minimal cell) don’t have histones but they do have bursty transcription, which is weird. Apparently it might be caused by DNA supercoiling and uncoiling [1], which is weird and cool. That said, they definitely don’t model that, so I’d be surprised if they got bursting transcription. If they did, I’d be interested in knowing what mechanism is causing the transcription bursts in the model.
1. https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(14)00739-9.pdf