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swarfield | 2 years ago

Should we be marking key infrastructure, utilities don't distribute this information for a reason.

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mike_d|2 years ago

People used to get really upset about such datasets because terrorism/vandalism/etc. But eventually more sane opinions prevailed as attackers don't use this type of data - they either have insider knowledge already or just drive around to scope out targets.

DHS now publishes a ton of open datasets to help with disaster planning, emergency response, and infrastructure hardening. https://hifld-geoplatform.opendata.arcgis.com/search?collect...

chaps|2 years ago

Used to?

A lot of that still happens, just instead of "terrorism", it's "crime". FOIA requests for locations of camera, alpr, and other massively used and unaudited surveillance equipment are routinely denied because it will "allow criminals to circumvent". It's all silly and benchmark moving.

aussiethebob|2 years ago

Yes we should. Security through obscurity is a myth

Freak_NL|2 years ago

And any above ground stuff is rather visible in any case, and mapped extensively on OpenStreetMap.

swarfield|2 years ago

Doh, thinking about it through that lens makes it obvious!

mikece|2 years ago

I rather appreciate knowing where the key electrical substations are in my area: helps me to understand exactly who can screw with things and where they would do it -- which makes me pay closer attention when I pass by substations and see someone lurking about. Not knowing that the location is critical I wouldn't think twice about someone loitering; knowing the location is sensitive and critical makes me look twice, take an active interest, and perhaps phone in a suspicious activity reports. Some people while about this information enabling terrorists: I think it enables all of us to open our eyes and protect our own interests.

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF|2 years ago

I get the feeling an adversary who wants to know where they can cause the most mayhem of this nature already does. I think a map is ultimately unnecessary anyway; I'd guess it's more appealing to sabotage remotely using computer networking vulnerabilities than to risk a field agent.