I can't help but think "finally" and "told ya so" regarding this news.
It's difficult to describe how massively my life changed when I started keto.
Like the subject of the article, I've had Bipolar (1 in my case, they didn't specify their version) for most of my life, since way before it's supposed to manifest in late adolescence. I was misdiagnosed here and there since I was a very young child, but I finally got on the right treatment plan at 20 years old.
The maintenance of that treatment plan has been taking a medium dose of Lamictal, an epilepsy drug, daily. It worked damn well compared to the regular mania, often culminating in psychosis and occasional full-on can't-even-hold-a-job levels of suicidal depression, but within a week of full-blown ketosis, I was a new person.
I found out about it through some documentary disguised as "In Defense of Fat" or something similar, and I was fascinated by the epilepsy cure thing. I had always known there was a connection between my condition and epilepsy, given that I was on seizure drugs and often experienced what I figured were mini-seizures (often described as brain zaps, I think).
I couldn't find any information on links except a few random, very weak studies, and sorta just told everyone who naysayed me to fuck off cuz it works for me. I lost 20 lbs of excess covid weight as a very nice side-effect, but I can safely say this is the most effective treatment I've ever experienced for my condition (of the many, many I've tried) and I feel like I have superpowers in comparison.
It is very obvious if I get kicked out of ketosis now after a few days or so. I've done it purposefully on vacations or just random cheat times. After a while I feel worse in the head, body, and soul. I make dumb or impulsive decisions (like my old self), or am grumpy in a way I haven't been since starting. I start to have awful dreams again and wake up my wife sleep-talking in distress, and am tired all the time like the old days.
It's certainly not the easiest diet to adhere to, it's also surely not the best for the environment unless you're really strict in specific ways like some, and it's potentially disruptive socially, but it's a lifestyle choice that has given me personally a truly new and improved life that I don't ever want to or plan to return from.
When I was on a keto phase, one day I noticed that I was so clear headed and energetic that I thought something broke inside me. It was like a persistent coffee kick without the side-effects. I realized that the feeling was probably how "normal" should feel. It changed my views about a lot of things. I would walk down the road and realize how many business fronts were restaurants, of which I had no desire to enter. I never bothered with any checks for keto, I just ate loads of low carb veggies, a little bit of meat, and coconut oil for added fat. A note on the oil, I had to make sure that I took it with meat, or else I would get sick to my stomach.
My lifestyle changed once I got a live-in partner. I need to get back on it.
>I can't help but think "finally" and "told ya so" regarding this news.
I don't want to dismiss your personal experiences, but I think that's the wrong conclusion to draw.
Common mental illnesses - particularly depression and anxiety - have incredibly high placebo response rates. Everything looks like a promising treatment for depression in an uncontrolled trial. You can pick practically any intervention - including literal sugar pills - and get ~40% remission rates in an open-label pilot study. Many thousands of potential treatments supported by plausible theories, anecdotal accounts, case reports and small uncontrolled trials have fallen flat as soon as they were tested rigorously. The base rate suggests that the chance of a keto diet (or any other intervention with this level of evidence) being an effective treatment for depression is on the order of 0.1%.
If keto works for you then you should stick with it. The problem is that it's overwhelmingly likely to be no more effective for other people than a low-fat diet or a low-GI diet or sugar pills or faith healing. Articles like this one do a huge disservice to patients, because they completely neglect the base rate and perpetuate a cycle of hype and disappointment that can ultimately lead to distrust and despair.
The brain likes keto, no question. I'm not sure it is a good to do it for longer periods of time, it supposedly stresses the body [0]. I did it for a year and continually lost weight, and it wasn't for lack of calories.
In currently taking Lamictal for similar reasons, and your comment really made me curious. Any particular resources you would recommend on how to switch to keto?
I've read the book "the glucose revolution" and it is pretty interesting how regulating glucose spikes can affect your mental clarity, energy levels and general health and wellbeing.
When you eat carbs, your blood sugar rises. At first it fuels your muscles, then at some point your body has to release insulin to protect itself, keeping your blood sugar low using fat storage. Later, the blood sugar will crash, leading to a lack of energy and brain fog.
There are some hacks in the book to help with this, like walking after eating (muscles take up more of the spike), or eating in order (fiber first to moderate blood sugar, followed by protein/fat, and finally any carbs)
I think a keto diet probably has the same effects, as a consequence of removing simple carbs from your diet.
It might be better to understand this all holistically and manage it with decent nutrition, not just cutting out all <x>.
Eating things is order really is "life-hack" if you're into low-carb/keto. If do some extended fasting and break it with only meat, I usually have some mild gastric distress side effects. Not really a problem for me, but for some people, it can be a distraction that they would rather not have to deal with. However, if I start eating again by first consuming a large amount of fiber, a big (150g+) salad for example, the effect is much reduced.
Another benefit of starting with fiber, is that your body will begin processing it and sending signals of satiety earlier than if you started carbs. Another hack I suppose is waiting 10 minutes between courses in your meals. Giving your body time to digest can help you feel fuller and prevent overeating. Especially when you grew up with the "clean your plate" form of parenting, learning to break that habit and stop when you're actually full can be a game changer for managing weight and body composition.
Interesting, the "hack" of eating in order is just return to the traditional way of eating veggie appetizer first, then meat main dish, and then dessert.
Ketosis will likely be what I credit for saving my marriage and actual life once science catches up with reasoning. The last year for me has been profound. Cluster headaches are mental warfare and ketosis has played a major role in my body's ability to chill the hell out. Can't wait to see more research here.
I started with intermittent fasting (16H) and I reached ketosis within a few days. I've been on lchf/atkins before, but getting there via fasting was easier and less brain-fog. Being in ketosis is such a drastic difference in energy and mental clarity that it's ridiculous.
I don't think you really need keto, but I think many people could benefit from just training themselves to eat fewer times a day, and developing an aversion to sugar and unhealthy food in general. I don't eat breakfast - haven't done so for more than 20 years. It doesn't affect my enerygy levels or mood. It always made me wonder why we even had it in the first place. All I have is a cup of black coffee, no sugar. Sometimes tea with no milk. And that's only when I start work, which is around 2 hours after I wake up.
These days I only eat after 5pm. My body is so used to it that I don't really get hungry during the day. Even if I go to gym in the morning. Do I notice a difference if I change my eating schedule or diet? Absolutely. If I eat during the day, I tend to want to eat more during the day. If I eat a lot of carbs and junk food, I tend to want to eat more. Also I feel like shit and my skin looks horrible. I think somewhere in all this mess there are mental health concerns as well, but I can't really quantify them in a meaningful way.
You must realize the world and humanity is bigger than you. Some people with low blood sugar would be very weak without breakfast (ie my wife and most of her family, tested repeatedly under various real world situations ie in wilderness). Some thrive like that. Some, like me, don't care if they have or don't have breakfast, nothing visibly changes for me (unless I want to bulk a bit from ie weightlifting or generally doing very strenuous activity especially if its multiday).
Another case point for each' uniqueness - you mention you just drink black coffee on empty stomach. On university one of my classmates went through mandatory military service back then and he did exactly this. He
utterly and forever destroyed his stomach lining (as per doctor's findings it was due to that coffee habit, even sugar or milk would help but he didn't know) and till end of his days. Tons of basic food that would make him cramp painfully or shit badly for hours. That he achieved within 1 year while you did 20 years of same seemingly without any issue.
> I don't eat breakfast - haven't done so for more than 20 years. It doesn't affect my enerygy levels or mood. It always made me wonder why we even had it in the first place
I noticed it is closely related to habit. When travelling I usually eat breakfast, lunch and dinner while I usually skip breakfast and sometimes lunch outside of travel. After travelling is done I feel a hunger pang in the morning where I would have taken breakfast as my body starts to "expect" it. Few days after ignoring it, it goes away...
well, "you don't think" but it'd be nice to know. the article discusses a lot of problems that may or may not linked to each other and keto might have positive effects, but the "why" and "how" isn't completely proven. there's a mention of reduced insulin sensitivity, where insulin medication has the same effect as keto. this you probably wouldn't get from just eating less if the diet choice doesn't take insulin levels into account. some improvements might come from the weight loss, that often - but not necessarily - comes with keto. a big part of the ketogenic diet are leafy greens (i mean, besides meat, what else is there to eat?) which might have a huge impact on the microbial landscape in the gut, which also affects the immune system, etc.
so the question isn't "keto is the cure-all so why don't you do it?" but "the ketogenic diet results in curious effects, so what part of the diet affects which issues and why" and "how do the effects of the ketogenic diet differ from (pure weight-loss effects of) other diets"?
A PSA: Pigs and chickens (and likely most Monogastric animals, which includes you) tend to bioaccumulate polyunsaturated fat from their feed, though the specifics will depend on the breed and circumstances. Pigs and chickens fed on soybean meal can have polyunsaturated fat percentages that rival or exceed what you see in vegetable oils. Also note that the nutrition label can often be outright wrong/outdated.
Polyunsaturated fat has a big tendency to exacerbate mental issues, for a variety of possible reasons but a big one likely being that it can result in chronic systemic inflammation.
So don’t make the mistake of thinking “animal fat = saturated fat” like I did, and ending up triggering a major depressive episode. Ruminants (cows/goats/sheep) seem remarkably resistant to this accumulation even when fed shitty meal.
There's at least two possible ways for it to help:
1) Feeding different gut microbes. Often, pathogenic fungi and bacteria feed on simple carbs, which are abundant in normal diets, and drive inflammation that causes mental and physical illness
2) Ketone bodies are an alternative fuel for the brain that does not rely on glucose uptake mechanisms, which are often impaired by (pre)diabetes, inflammation, shit sleep, etc. all of which are very common.
It changes electrolyte balance from what I’ve experienced, so that’s another likely way. Try being dehydrated and depressed. You can’t! The will to live kicks in and overrides depression. Like the guy who jumped off Golden Gate Bridge who on hitting the water was filled with sudden will to live. Near death is a good cure for a lot of things. That’s why keto works.
As a person of normal weight, I tried a keto diet a couple of times but just couldn't get it working under vegetarian/vegan dietary restrictions for a daily work + workout schedule.
I got either underfed to the point of fainting, had to rely on expensive restaurant meals and questionable supplements, or had to spent an enormous amount of time on meal preparation.
So either I approached this in a completely wrong way or keto just isn't for "normal" folks like myself with busy schedules.
Vegan is decidedly not "normal" if we define normal in the sense that it is common. Only 0.5% of the American adult population is vegan (only 2% vegeterian).[1]
Not that there's anything wrong with being vegan! But it definitely a minority position.
Yeah Keto when you can't have dairy or eggs (food sensitivities) is really, really difficult to do. I'm in that boat too and my weight got dangerously low when I was trying to keto.
Yes, because there's also no scientific evidence to support these fad diets. Of course, somebody who has been eating like shit and then switches to a "keto" diet will lose weight and might feel better.
Scientific evidence is clear that a whole food, plant-based is the best diet. I mean, it also makes common sense to eat a balanced diet to get all the different macro and micro nutritients, minerals and vitamins.
The "carb is bad!" line is just wrong. Eating one or two slices if fresh, whole weat bread is not unhealthy, it's healthy! It contains a lot of fiber, protein, vitamins and minerals. But of course, eating frozen pizza is unhealthy because it contains jackshit. Carbs != Carbs.
So why do these intermittent fasting, keto and what not diets work? Well, because people just live a silver bullet and quick fix. And many companies and people make a lot of money by selling these alleged quick fixes to people in the form of ready-made meals, books, coachings and what not.
Nobody is getting rich if people would just eat fresh vegetables.
As a counterexample, a dear friend of mine has a cluster of mental illnesses which are clearly made worse by his ceaseless keto diet obsession.
He didn't need an eating disorder on top of all the other issues he already had, but that's where he's ended up by consuming diet advice from the internet.
Diet advice I collected from HN: no matter how much you eat, you should eat less. Ideally you should eat once a day and exercise a lot. You should pick one of those highly restricted diets too, completely excluding at least one food group.
Also, no reason to ever worry about lack of anything (iron, vitamins, minerals, whatever), none of that is ever an issue.
The article was just published but it's understood why it works, why are they writing as if it's not understood? There's no 'racing' to understand why anymore. The last big keto popularity like 5+ years ago now has enabled years of keto research to happen.
In fact, we also know typical keto ways of exiting the mental health benefits while remaining keto. Sort of traps.
There's many keto types which work. I'm not a believer in net-carbs. Carbs are carbs, limit all carbs to 30g or less per day.
No artificial sweeteners, they all suck. No honey, you don't eat the barf of anything else, why bees? Eggs and Cheese are your big tester of if you can handle those.
In my anecdotal experience, it's crazy how many sugar zombies exist in society. They are all depressed and think the world is ending. They think they are conscious, but they clearly arent, controlled by carb and other cravings.
> Our results show that meat abstention (vegetarianism or veganism) is clearly associated with poorer mental health, specifically higher levels of both depression and anxiety.
I would disagree. Veganism is certainly possible, but 99% of vegans will not do what is necessary.
Vegetarianism is not different from veganism in this discussion.
For all wanting to try out, please consider a dietician consultation first. They typically recommend cutting on gluten and dairy first as a protocol.
For me it was enough to significantly alter the quality of life. You might not need the full keto, only the "autoimmune exclusion protocol", which can help after long time stress adaptations
I'm certain this is oversimplified and not really how nutrition works, but I always liked to think maybe eating more fat was fortifying the myelin sheaths around our neurons and preventing signal "arcs"
People have shit diets (and they don't realize it) so when they finally decide to stick with a famous one they get results.
Every popular diet tells you to eat less and eat natural, keto amongst them.
Unless you have allergies: no, it'a not keto, no, it's not Atkins, no, it's not veganism: it's not eating crap.
This is the real answer. Keto, Paleo, intermittent fasting... all these things work exactly the same way: by limiting your calorie intake. When the population approaches an obesity rate of 40% (not overweight, clinical obesity!), anything you try will help to counteract the highly processed, far too calorie dense food we get on every corner. People swear on their own diet approach because of some biochemical aspect, but the only relevant difference between these diets is that most people find some easier to stick to than others. Minding your calories is far better for your mind and body in the long term than anything else.
That’s being awfully dismissive about what keto is, it’s not just a diet, it’s an actual state you maintain your body in which is why it’s being looked into for helping people out.
A lot of anecdotes about people switching to keto and feeling better, but not giving the context of what kind of food they were eating beforehand.
As I'm sure many of us know, a lot of software engineers (to be fair, this applies to most people as well) have very bad diets; buying fast food lunch every day, eating free snacks, etc.
I did this for a while. It was great in the beginning, but gets boring soon. I now do quite well on eggs and ground beef. Been eating like this for many years now: https://srid.ca/carnivore-diet
I lost a lot of weight on ketosis several years ago but could not maintain the diet and gained it all back shortly after. Since then I've found something that works better for my body that I can sustain which keeps some of the principles of keto.
I no longer limit my carbs, but when I eat carbs they come from rice and potatoes instead of wheat because I wore a CGM for two-week periods of time multiple times last year and the year prior and found that wheat was always the number one culprit spiking my blood sugar which would result in massive carb crashes, which overall affected my energy levels which snowball into negative second-order effects on my feelings of productivity and mood.
[+] [-] elliotec|2 years ago|reply
It's difficult to describe how massively my life changed when I started keto.
Like the subject of the article, I've had Bipolar (1 in my case, they didn't specify their version) for most of my life, since way before it's supposed to manifest in late adolescence. I was misdiagnosed here and there since I was a very young child, but I finally got on the right treatment plan at 20 years old.
The maintenance of that treatment plan has been taking a medium dose of Lamictal, an epilepsy drug, daily. It worked damn well compared to the regular mania, often culminating in psychosis and occasional full-on can't-even-hold-a-job levels of suicidal depression, but within a week of full-blown ketosis, I was a new person.
I found out about it through some documentary disguised as "In Defense of Fat" or something similar, and I was fascinated by the epilepsy cure thing. I had always known there was a connection between my condition and epilepsy, given that I was on seizure drugs and often experienced what I figured were mini-seizures (often described as brain zaps, I think).
I couldn't find any information on links except a few random, very weak studies, and sorta just told everyone who naysayed me to fuck off cuz it works for me. I lost 20 lbs of excess covid weight as a very nice side-effect, but I can safely say this is the most effective treatment I've ever experienced for my condition (of the many, many I've tried) and I feel like I have superpowers in comparison.
It is very obvious if I get kicked out of ketosis now after a few days or so. I've done it purposefully on vacations or just random cheat times. After a while I feel worse in the head, body, and soul. I make dumb or impulsive decisions (like my old self), or am grumpy in a way I haven't been since starting. I start to have awful dreams again and wake up my wife sleep-talking in distress, and am tired all the time like the old days.
It's certainly not the easiest diet to adhere to, it's also surely not the best for the environment unless you're really strict in specific ways like some, and it's potentially disruptive socially, but it's a lifestyle choice that has given me personally a truly new and improved life that I don't ever want to or plan to return from.
[+] [-] gexla|2 years ago|reply
My lifestyle changed once I got a live-in partner. I need to get back on it.
[+] [-] tmikaeld|2 years ago|reply
I'm able to sustain keto when using Huel Black (17% carbs), but your mileage may vary.
And Huel is both vegan and sustainable.
(I'm not affiliated, just a user)
[+] [-] jdietrich|2 years ago|reply
I don't want to dismiss your personal experiences, but I think that's the wrong conclusion to draw.
Common mental illnesses - particularly depression and anxiety - have incredibly high placebo response rates. Everything looks like a promising treatment for depression in an uncontrolled trial. You can pick practically any intervention - including literal sugar pills - and get ~40% remission rates in an open-label pilot study. Many thousands of potential treatments supported by plausible theories, anecdotal accounts, case reports and small uncontrolled trials have fallen flat as soon as they were tested rigorously. The base rate suggests that the chance of a keto diet (or any other intervention with this level of evidence) being an effective treatment for depression is on the order of 0.1%.
If keto works for you then you should stick with it. The problem is that it's overwhelmingly likely to be no more effective for other people than a low-fat diet or a low-GI diet or sugar pills or faith healing. Articles like this one do a huge disservice to patients, because they completely neglect the base rate and perpetuate a cycle of hype and disappointment that can ultimately lead to distrust and despair.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7945737/
[+] [-] MrBuddyCasino|2 years ago|reply
[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qcAStYJwpg
[+] [-] golergka|2 years ago|reply
[+] [-] m463|2 years ago|reply
When you eat carbs, your blood sugar rises. At first it fuels your muscles, then at some point your body has to release insulin to protect itself, keeping your blood sugar low using fat storage. Later, the blood sugar will crash, leading to a lack of energy and brain fog.
There are some hacks in the book to help with this, like walking after eating (muscles take up more of the spike), or eating in order (fiber first to moderate blood sugar, followed by protein/fat, and finally any carbs)
I think a keto diet probably has the same effects, as a consequence of removing simple carbs from your diet.
It might be better to understand this all holistically and manage it with decent nutrition, not just cutting out all <x>.
[+] [-] yurishimo|2 years ago|reply
Another benefit of starting with fiber, is that your body will begin processing it and sending signals of satiety earlier than if you started carbs. Another hack I suppose is waiting 10 minutes between courses in your meals. Giving your body time to digest can help you feel fuller and prevent overeating. Especially when you grew up with the "clean your plate" form of parenting, learning to break that habit and stop when you're actually full can be a game changer for managing weight and body composition.
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[+] [-] ilitirit|2 years ago|reply
These days I only eat after 5pm. My body is so used to it that I don't really get hungry during the day. Even if I go to gym in the morning. Do I notice a difference if I change my eating schedule or diet? Absolutely. If I eat during the day, I tend to want to eat more during the day. If I eat a lot of carbs and junk food, I tend to want to eat more. Also I feel like shit and my skin looks horrible. I think somewhere in all this mess there are mental health concerns as well, but I can't really quantify them in a meaningful way.
[+] [-] saiya-jin|2 years ago|reply
Another case point for each' uniqueness - you mention you just drink black coffee on empty stomach. On university one of my classmates went through mandatory military service back then and he did exactly this. He utterly and forever destroyed his stomach lining (as per doctor's findings it was due to that coffee habit, even sugar or milk would help but he didn't know) and till end of his days. Tons of basic food that would make him cramp painfully or shit badly for hours. That he achieved within 1 year while you did 20 years of same seemingly without any issue.
[+] [-] EZ-E|2 years ago|reply
I noticed it is closely related to habit. When travelling I usually eat breakfast, lunch and dinner while I usually skip breakfast and sometimes lunch outside of travel. After travelling is done I feel a hunger pang in the morning where I would have taken breakfast as my body starts to "expect" it. Few days after ignoring it, it goes away...
[+] [-] stefs|2 years ago|reply
so the question isn't "keto is the cure-all so why don't you do it?" but "the ketogenic diet results in curious effects, so what part of the diet affects which issues and why" and "how do the effects of the ketogenic diet differ from (pure weight-loss effects of) other diets"?
[+] [-] villmann|2 years ago|reply
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/nov/28/breakfa...
[+] [-] Modified3019|2 years ago|reply
Polyunsaturated fat has a big tendency to exacerbate mental issues, for a variety of possible reasons but a big one likely being that it can result in chronic systemic inflammation.
So don’t make the mistake of thinking “animal fat = saturated fat” like I did, and ending up triggering a major depressive episode. Ruminants (cows/goats/sheep) seem remarkably resistant to this accumulation even when fed shitty meal.
[+] [-] scoofy|2 years ago|reply
[+] [-] Llamamoe|2 years ago|reply
1) Feeding different gut microbes. Often, pathogenic fungi and bacteria feed on simple carbs, which are abundant in normal diets, and drive inflammation that causes mental and physical illness
2) Ketone bodies are an alternative fuel for the brain that does not rely on glucose uptake mechanisms, which are often impaired by (pre)diabetes, inflammation, shit sleep, etc. all of which are very common.
[+] [-] 2devnull|2 years ago|reply
[+] [-] spidersenses|2 years ago|reply
I got either underfed to the point of fainting, had to rely on expensive restaurant meals and questionable supplements, or had to spent an enormous amount of time on meal preparation.
So either I approached this in a completely wrong way or keto just isn't for "normal" folks like myself with busy schedules.
[+] [-] dustincoates|2 years ago|reply
Not that there's anything wrong with being vegan! But it definitely a minority position.
1: https://veganbits.com/vegan-demographics/
[+] [-] wouldbecouldbe|2 years ago|reply
It's your body going into emergency starving mode. It might be good to do every now and then, just like fasting, but it's not normal.
It's not easy for any type of diet and just a few carbs will kick you out of ketosis.
But especially for Vegan, then it's mostly nuts & avocado's you can eat.
[+] [-] freedomben|2 years ago|reply
[+] [-] shafyy|2 years ago|reply
Scientific evidence is clear that a whole food, plant-based is the best diet. I mean, it also makes common sense to eat a balanced diet to get all the different macro and micro nutritients, minerals and vitamins.
The "carb is bad!" line is just wrong. Eating one or two slices if fresh, whole weat bread is not unhealthy, it's healthy! It contains a lot of fiber, protein, vitamins and minerals. But of course, eating frozen pizza is unhealthy because it contains jackshit. Carbs != Carbs.
So why do these intermittent fasting, keto and what not diets work? Well, because people just live a silver bullet and quick fix. And many companies and people make a lot of money by selling these alleged quick fixes to people in the form of ready-made meals, books, coachings and what not.
Nobody is getting rich if people would just eat fresh vegetables.
[+] [-] pavlov|2 years ago|reply
He didn't need an eating disorder on top of all the other issues he already had, but that's where he's ended up by consuming diet advice from the internet.
[+] [-] watwut|2 years ago|reply
Also, no reason to ever worry about lack of anything (iron, vitamins, minerals, whatever), none of that is ever an issue.
[+] [-] aszantu|2 years ago|reply
https://github.com/cutestuff/FoodDepressionConundrum/blob/ma...
[+] [-] incomingpain|2 years ago|reply
In fact, we also know typical keto ways of exiting the mental health benefits while remaining keto. Sort of traps.
There's many keto types which work. I'm not a believer in net-carbs. Carbs are carbs, limit all carbs to 30g or less per day.
No artificial sweeteners, they all suck. No honey, you don't eat the barf of anything else, why bees? Eggs and Cheese are your big tester of if you can handle those.
In my anecdotal experience, it's crazy how many sugar zombies exist in society. They are all depressed and think the world is ending. They think they are conscious, but they clearly arent, controlled by carb and other cravings.
Something like 80% of north america are zombies?
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10408398.2021.1...
> Our results show that meat abstention (vegetarianism or veganism) is clearly associated with poorer mental health, specifically higher levels of both depression and anxiety.
I would disagree. Veganism is certainly possible, but 99% of vegans will not do what is necessary.
Vegetarianism is not different from veganism in this discussion.
[+] [-] eurekin|2 years ago|reply
For me it was enough to significantly alter the quality of life. You might not need the full keto, only the "autoimmune exclusion protocol", which can help after long time stress adaptations
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[+] [-] Almondsetat|2 years ago|reply
Unless you have allergies: no, it'a not keto, no, it's not Atkins, no, it's not veganism: it's not eating crap.
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[+] [-] bad_good_guy|2 years ago|reply
A lot of anecdotes about people switching to keto and feeling better, but not giving the context of what kind of food they were eating beforehand.
As I'm sure many of us know, a lot of software engineers (to be fair, this applies to most people as well) have very bad diets; buying fast food lunch every day, eating free snacks, etc.
[+] [-] tarruda|2 years ago|reply
Add "and regularly exercising" to the formula. Our bodies are not made to be sitting all day.
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[+] [-] rkho|2 years ago|reply
I no longer limit my carbs, but when I eat carbs they come from rice and potatoes instead of wheat because I wore a CGM for two-week periods of time multiple times last year and the year prior and found that wheat was always the number one culprit spiking my blood sugar which would result in massive carb crashes, which overall affected my energy levels which snowball into negative second-order effects on my feelings of productivity and mood.
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[+] [-] hellectronic|2 years ago|reply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjEFo3a1AnI