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gitanovic | 2 years ago

That's bollocks, it's more that the vast majority of people who buys a cargo bike is a bike enthusiast to start with.

Case in point I am not, I was convinced to buy a cargo bike, and I still like my car very much, particularly when it's rainy and/or cold

Still like the bike in warm summer days, but in winter... only car

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lucioperca|2 years ago

I use my cargo bicycle everyday because I never bothered to buy a car after Uni and cars where I live would be a major pain because of traffic and parking near my flat. I do have car sharing though. I would not consider me a bike enthusiast, but I like to get my metabolism going in the morning compared to car travel. Weather is no problem, you just need to dress accordingly. Many people in my city do cycle everyday. I play basketball twice a week and 80% of the players arrive by bicycle.

genman|2 years ago

Many people live in places where weather is not favorable. Also in your example these are people who actively prefer physically active lifestyle - it's called selection bias, and I bet that they don't have long commute.

Nothing against bicycles here, just pointing out that it is not a solution for everyone.

jojobas|2 years ago

What's the coldest your city gets?

willsmith72|2 years ago

"Study finds ..."

"That's bollocks, I still like my car very much"

A completely valid study can find something to be true, one person's anecdote doesn't change the result.

Doesn't mean this isn't a valid study, but "it's bollocks because I don't think so" is not really a scientific reaction

zaphirplane|2 years ago

True and to further nit pick, a study‘s conclusion is not always a fact.

By now we know that Studies confuse correlation with causation, fail to isolate correctly, are paid for by vested interests, are not reproducible or fabricated

Not to be too tin foil but that’s how it is, so it’s ok to call BS but I get your view that calling anything we don’t like BS leads no where

stinos|2 years ago

While this might be true, you'd have to study that as well to be sure. So essentially the question is what would happen if you for instance in a city take people from across the population and force them to use a cargo bike.

gitanovic|2 years ago

That is a study I'd sponsor :D

Joking apart (for I am joking, I'd never sponsor something that forces people to do things they don't want) My only point is that whenever I read something like this... well it stinks, because it goes against what I perceive as common sense.

Someone took my first comment too seriously, my point being that after so many studies read, weighted, measured and found wanting... I don't want to waste my time reading something that doesn't pass the smell test.

Who did they interview? People who have cargo bikes Do they like them? Yes they bought them and either liked them to begin with, or are rationalizing, then there is a minority who's objective.

Ask people with Mercedes what's the car brand they like the most.

For example: I drive an Alfa Romeo and once I was stopped by a guy (in Germany) that asked me if I wanted to join a Italian Car Club... and he was the proud driver of a FIAT Tipo, not a car I'd buy for it's beauty or one I'd show in a car club, yet he liked it, and we are discussing a study that hinges on what people like?

EDIT: just to say... I agree with you, there's a bit of selection bias at work here

NicoJuicy|2 years ago

Depends.

Electric cargo bikes could replace a lot of 'city' traffic for many people. Definitely in countries like Belgium / The Netherlands where there is a bigger cycling culture.

It mostly handles the use-case of "larger grocery shopping".

The long distance travelling is still the one that will require most people to own a car.

TLDR: From my observation. I use my car for 2 things:

- Larger shopping for cheaper goods ( supermarket). Electric Cargo bikes could fix this.

- Further distances > 20 km.

Edit: After my comment, I started reading the article and it's similar to what the article claims:

> It's not likely to totally replace your car, nor will it probably be your only bike. But access to a cargo bike can reduce car trips, and even car ownership, a study from Germany suggests.