[wmidwestranger]

> Also, I think a lot of middle and upper level management needs to lose their jobs over this.

Given that if a worker doing the work raised this problem or took initiative to resolve it, they'ld probably be punished; I completely agree.

Reminds me so much of how, once-upon-a-time, there seemed to be actual engineering management in a cooperatively adversarial relationship with business managers but not anymore. Now any sort of engineering in business seems to be completely business managed and business minded. I'm sure it's great for profits while it lasts but I haven't observed engineering becoming better and I suspect business is suffering by overextending itself too, I just don't have any solid observations.

(Well, maybe one, my brother does warehouse / logistics management and says, despite there being every reason in the world, he has never seen the accounting software and the inventory software successfully and productively linked. So, big opportunity there for a serious player but maybe not the profitable compared to the issue?)

[wolpoli]

Once upon a time, QAs and developers also had a bit of cooperatively adversarial relationship as well. It's no more now as teams are restructured by business, so they cooperate.