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m_0x | 2 years ago

These services should be forbidden from using the phrase "Buy it now" if they do not mean it. The phrase should be "License it now" or "Get a license" so people know what they are getting into.

Words have power.

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genocidicbunny|2 years ago

"Rent for X days"

They should be forced to commit to a specific time period that the rental is available and failing to do so is considered fraud. Failing to list the time period is considered equivalent to perpetuity and they should be forced to provide the content in perpetuity, regardless of their circumstances.

Oh, and if it seems unfair to do so and they don't like it, they're perfectly free to not sell that content at all. It's a free country right?

thiht|2 years ago

Agree. Given their license agreements, it should even specify something like "rent for at least x years", x being a number of years compatible with their own license agreement. If they have a 1 year agreement with the copyright holders, x can’t be greater than 1.

Transparency is the only way to make sure there’s no bullshit for the customer. Also maybe they would need to adjust prices, as they’re no way I’m gonna pay full price for a 1 year license (which is effectively what I’m paying for).

Maybe it’s hard to sell, but it’s the truth

thfuran|2 years ago

I agree that they shouldn't be allowed to say that they're selling you a good or that you're buying it when what you're actually paying for is a revocable license to use/access it at their discretion. But it's not quite as clear when the purchase includes a physical good that is purchased and also a revocably licensed digital good. That's still (at least partially) a purchase. I think the more relevant issue here is the extent to which a company's assets can be separated from its contractual obligations during an acquisition.

alpaca128|2 years ago

It should say "buy time-limited license"

indymike|2 years ago

We need to use simple language that everyone understands. "Rent" is the right word for this transaction. Sellers hate it because no one like rent at buy prices.

mattclarkdotnet|2 years ago

In British English “lease” is the word for something between “buy” and “rent”.

“Lease this content for 10 years” is a deal that makes perfect sense, even if the sellers might hate it

nulld3v|2 years ago

Aka "renting"

yencabulator|2 years ago

More like "business-interest-limited license".

shiroiuma|2 years ago

If buying isn't owning, then pirating isn't stealing.

Minor49er|2 years ago

Pirating isn't stealing anyways since the original isn't removed

walterbell|2 years ago

> These services should be forbidden from using the phrase "Buy it now" if they do not mean it. The phrase should be "License it now" or "Get a license" so people know what they are getting into. Words have power.

Web browser userscript/extension to change the terminology on purchase pages of major vendors?

kevin_thibedeau|2 years ago

They need to declare that the license is not active in perpetuity.

tacocataco|2 years ago

Would you like this on page 2026 or 2027 of the terms of service?

whoitwas|2 years ago

Rent seems appropriate.

ssalka|2 years ago

The "it" means access to the content ;)

/s

anamax|2 years ago

Buying access to the content doesn't imply "until we don't feel like supporting said access."

twic|2 years ago

Except that the customers did buy it - they bought physical DVDs! They could have kept those, probably did, and if so, can still watch them!

What Sony is doing here is shitty, but it's a long way from removing access to digital content which people have paid for, which is what the title suggests.

yencabulator|2 years ago

The customers thought they had bought a DVD and an access code. Just because there was also a physical product in the bundle does not absolve Sony of any blame.

jmward01|2 years ago

Tell you what, I'll sell you my house for 100$ but at any time I can take back all but the doormat. You still have access to some part of what you bought so we are all good right? As for 'buying the physical dvd', that is just bad plastic because they can't actually use the data on it in any modern way. By law they can't rip it and view it with modern devices so they clearly never 'owned' anything.

smcleod|2 years ago

This would only be true if Sony offered a physical or downloadable version of the content that the users could keep using after they removed online access.

jjulius|2 years ago

>They could have kept those, probably did...

Fire, theft, misplaced/lost, water damage, tiny kid damages the disc, so on and so forth. Keeping something sometimes is out of our control.

>... but it's a long way from removing access to digital content which people have paid for, which is what the title suggests.

They're literally pulling content they paid for. They bought this knowing they would get a physical copy and streaming access. They paid for both, and now part of that "both" is being taken away.