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PrimeMcFly | 2 years ago
So what? I said you were perpetuating a myth and you were. It still not 'your' thread, what kind of childish nonsense is that?
> I've literally told you I don't appreciate your attitude and you're still starting shit.
Because I don't care what you think at all. I was talking to someone else and you decided to insert yourself because of this mistaken belief that it was 'your' thread. Most ridiculous thing I've seen in quite some time.
> I'm not walking from this thread. This topic was started by me so I stand my ground.
This is honestly hilarious. Walk, don't walk, I don't really care. But you have no ownership of the thread or right to tell me to stop replying. Go touch grass.
> Common courtesy is not to run your mouth on the Internet because your shielded by anonymity.
I made valid criticisms. You made a claim, only lazily supported it with a low quality tabloid article, defended perpetuating a false claim and refused to change your stance after I attempted to educate you. That makes you willfully ignorant, and I have no time for you. I will keep replying to you until this conversation runs its course though due to nothing else than curiosity.
> Treat the situation like real life.
In real life I'd ask you not to perpetuate myths or spread misinformation, and call you out if you tried to defend doing so with a crappy blog article as your source.
> You can choose to be an ass and continue acting rude by not walking away. That's your right.
And you can continue coming back trying to claim ownership of the thread and needing to have the last word because I called you out for laziness and intellectual dishonesty.
> But just imagine what that would entail if you did that in real life.
The same result? You complaining and being upset I dared to call you out?
> This thread getting flagged already is a big indicator that you crossed the line.
Actually the comments where I correct you and call you out are upvoted and not flagged at all.
I haven't crossed a line. I told you you were wrong, dismissed your low quality source, asked you to stop perpetuating misinformation, and then in response to someone else provided sources to show just why you were wrong and perpetuating misinformation.
You then tried to claim ownership of the thread and order me to not comment any further which is one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen on HN.
Look. You can admit you were wrong and that you were perpetuating misinformation and just move on, or you can keep needing to have the last word and coming back and trying to defend your behavior be talking about how 'rude' I was, but the more you do the latter, the worse it reflects on you.
corethree|2 years ago
Please do not say things like that here. It is "my" thread. I opened the topic for discussion. You are free to comment but taking it over with bullshit like this is rude. It is mine in this sense. Do you note how I didn't insult you here and you used the word childish? You need to walk away again.
>Because I don't care what you think at all. I was talking to someone else and you decided to insert yourself because of this mistaken belief that it was 'your' thread. Most ridiculous thing I've seen in quite some time.
If you don't care what people think. You don't belong here. It's actually against the rules here to be rude and say things without care. You'll actually need to leave this entire forum should you continue.
>This is honestly hilarious. Walk, don't walk, I don't really care. But you have no ownership of the thread or right to tell me to stop replying. Go touch grass.
I know you don't care. I'm telling you now, not appreciated at all to laugh in peoples faces and be rude.
>I made valid criticisms. You made a claim, only lazily supported it with a low quality tabloid article, defended perpetuating a false claim and refused to change your stance after I attempted to educate you. That makes you willfully ignorant, and I have no time for you. I will keep replying to you until this conversation runs its course though due to nothing else than curiosity.
You made a counter claim with zero support. Then you purported to cite sources that offered zero information on pig intelligence vs. dog intelligence. Just a bunch of articles and Wikipedia on dog intelligence and how great it is. Everybody knows Dogs are intelligent.. but more intelligent then pigs? You offered nothing. I never said dogs were stupid, your evidence only serves to disprove a point I never made. A bunch of useless off topic evidence that goes nowhere. The point is this: Pigs are more intelligent then dogs.
Additionally all your sources were just as casual and weak as mine. Random internet articles and wikipedia. None of it strengthened your argument because it was both off topic and the same level of quality as my evidence.
Overall your argument was weak and you not only were rude but you violated your own tenets by offering weak and irrational arguments. You even claimed that "you could" accept the fact that pigs were intelligent.
Hey take a look at this, or don't it doesn't matter at this point:
https://escholarship.org/uc/item/8sx4s79c
It's the only scientifically peer reviewed paper offered so far in this thread. The highest offer of available empirical evidence which you repeatedly failed to offer. It didn't need to be offered but since you wanted to go to war on this, I offered it. It describes intelligence tasks where pigs beat dogs. There's more on this topic, it's not well researched but the available evidence points to pigs overall being smarter. You can try to argue against the only scientific article here if you want but there's a salvo of other research studies ready to fire on you once you're done. The popular "myth" perpetuates itself on actual scientific studies which you were unaware about.
>Look. You can admit you were wrong and that you were perpetuating misinformation and just move on, or you can keep needing to have the last word and coming back and trying to defend your behavior be talking about how 'rude' I was, but the more you do the latter, the worse it reflects on you.
I'd rather have the last word. I'm human just like you. I was too lazy to actually dig through the internet to actually find you the raw science behind it. But you pissed me off enough to make me spend the effort.
I'm not even making a pathetic effort to sort of worm my way into being right. It's a given that my point is much more obviously the higher supported theory here. A casual google search confirms it ALONG with the science.
You were being manipulative with your arguments and you know it. Weak sources and a weak thesis as well. You got upvotes only from people who didn't follow a single one of your sources. And you stated you're "I'm open to the possibility that pigs might be smarter than dogs" which is lol. It just shows you couldn't find anything definitive. Such are harsh way to bring the hammer down on me when you're "open" to me being "right".
Do you do this kind of thing in real life? Like when you're not sure about something and someone makes a claim about it, you just attack them out of nowhere and demand solid proof when you're wishy washy about it yourself. Hey it's fine to disagree, maybe next time just say, "I'm not sure there's enough science that confirms that for sure" rather then declaring it a "myth" and then being "open" about it later.
Look man, when I say pigs are smarter then dogs I say it like any human says it. With just a vague knowledge of the science without a hard "absolutely" "100%" pigs are smarter. Any rational human will know that and not rudely just proclaim it to be a myth. The science shows evidence that pigs are smarter. It's not overwhelming evidence but it points to the fact that it is the most likely truth. That level of evidence enough for casual conversation which is what's going on here in this thread which you failed to be socially aware about.
Tell you what. You may be open to me being right, but I'm not open to you being right. I claim there is much more science demonstrating pigs beating dogs on intelligence tasks then there are dogs beating pigs. I'm not wishy washy about shit here.
Now throw in your next wall of text and we can continue on this until you run out of things to say because I'm not just right. I'm obviously right. You're the one trying to scaffold the evidence into a shaky foundation for your claim. Good luck.
Anyway, the main faux paus here isn't "not doing research" or flawed citations or anything like that. You've done plenty of that despite your hard ass claims to the contrary. The main problem here is you're not acting civil. You're acting rude. And you've stated you don't care.
That is Against the rules here and I'm sure if any admin saw you talk this way repeatedly without care you would be banned.
I admit I am defending my last word now. But prior to this I was not defending my last word. I was making a statement. A statement saying I find your attitude offensive and I don't like to converse with you at all and I wanted to set the tone that it must end. That was the point. If it looks bad, so be it, but I did not act with malice which is contrary to what you did here.
PrimeMcFly|2 years ago
Well, let's get into it!
> Please do not say things like that here. It is "my" thread.
No, it bloody well isn't. The sooner you can accept and understand that, the happier you might be.
It is astounding to me that you don't understand how ridiculous your claim and behavior is in this regard.
> You don't belong here. It's actually against the rules here to be rude and say things without care. You'll actually need to leave this entire forum should you continue.
Again with giving orders that you have no place to give.
> I know you don't care.
Then stop wasting your breath?
> You made a counter claim with zero support.v
You made a bullshit claim with no support at all. You just copypasted the first link you found. That doesn't count as supporting your argument, buddy.
> Then you purported to cite sources
That you thanked me for providing lol. Then you said you don't care enough about the topic to actually look into them. Except now you're in this bizarrely insecure trap of needing to have the last word and not be wrong, so here you are, trying to dispute them.
> since you wanted to go to war on this
I didn't want to go to 'war', lol. It's fascination how you see this interaction. I just called you out for being wrong and not doing any research and perpetuating misinformation, and well, you didn't take that well. You still can't accept it.
> I'd rather have the last word.
Yeah, you've made that clear lol.
> I'm human just like you.
You're also deeply insecure unlike me.
> But you pissed me off enough to make me spend the effort.
Nah. You're still just copying and pasting things without understanding them. The first comment that you previously thanked me for still applies and your paper doesn't dispute anything I've said.
> I'm not even making a pathetic effort to sort of worm my way into being right.v
That's literally all you are doing.
> It's a given that my point is much more obviously the higher supported theory here.v
I mean, tell yourself whatever you need to to avoid taking an L, I guess.
> And you stated you're "I'm open to the possibility that pigs might be smarter than dogs" which is lol. It just shows you couldn't find anything definitive.
Because unlike you I can handle being wrong, but evidence and consensus does not support that point.
> You were being manipulative with your arguments and you know it.
Not remotely.
> Weak sources and a weak thesis as well.
No, my view is the consensus view, actually. Your view is the one perpetuated by people who believe the first thing they read.
> You got upvotes only from people who didn't follow a single one of your sources.
I got upvotes from people who actually read what I wrote and understood the reasoned argument that was made.
> Do you do this kind of thing in real life? Like when you're not sure about something and someone makes a claim about it, you just attack them out of nowhere and demand solid proof when you're wishy washy about it yourself.
When someone is lazy and spreads misinformation I certainly try to gently correct them and if they want to be stubborn, I might try to embarrass them to put them in their place, sure.
> Look man, when I say pigs are smarter then dogs I say it like any human says it.
Not just any humans, but the types of humans who just believe whatever they read first and then defend it because they don't like to be wrong, and then might write long essays of nonsense when if they had just spent 5 minutes of research initially it all could have been avoided.
> The science shows evidence that pigs are smarter.
lol, no, it doesn't. Sigh.
> Tell you what. You may be open to me being right, but I'm not open to you being right
Or to rephrase, you're not open to being wrong. That's been your problem from the start.
> Now throw in your next wall of text and we can continue on this until you run out of things to say because I'm not just right. I'm obviously right.
lol, again, tell yourself whatever you need to avoid feeling like you lost.
> Anyway, the main faux paus here isn't "not doing research" or flawed citations or anything like that. You've done plenty of that despite your hard ass claims to the contrary. The main problem here is you're not acting civil. You're acting rude.
Nah. The only issue that started all this what you adorably think is a 'war', is you perpetuating misinformation and being called out on it. That's it. And I wasn't rude, I was direct, and your ego didn't like that.
> That is Against the rules here and I'm sure if any admin saw you talk this way repeatedly without care you would be banned.
You've honestly been much ruder, barking out order and trying to claim ownership of the thread, which is just sad and ridiculous.
> I admit I am defending my last word now.v
Well you already did earlier, but it was obvious from the start that you were this type of person.
> But prior to this I was not defending my last word.
Sure. Whatever you say.
> If it looks bad, so be it, but I did not act with malice which is contrary to what you did here.
I didn't act with malice I just pointed out you were wrong, that's it.
Anyway. As amusing as this is I don't have the energy for another wall of text so I might make one more reply, maybe, and then I'll let you have the final word so you can feel like you won and this horrible ordeal you are putting yourself through will be over.