[Panini_Jones]

I worked for Meta on Quest 2. I also bought the Apple Vision Pro (I returned it today, actually).

I think Quest is better tech right now, but I think the Apple Vision Pro is the better product. I'm excited to see the competition here, either way.

[johnneville]

that's surprising to me but maybe it's just semantics. i haven't tried the Apple Vision Pro but from what i hear, the things it surpasses the quest 3 on are all what i consider technology features like display, tracking, passthrough, and interface. the things i like about my quest 3 over it are not what i consider difficult technology things, like the controllers, the games, and the integrated battery.

for me "better product" equates to something like "the better thing to buy" which includes cost, and for me the quest 3 is leading in category by a large margin.

[Panini_Jones]

"Better product" is mostly subjective, to a degree. I think future iterations of the AVP are going to bring more value per dollar to the public than Meta's Quest or Rayban lines.

The hardware, as I see it, is mostly going to be similar between the two companies (except for form factor, where I see Apple absolutely winning). The consumer market (Apple got people wearing this thing on the subway; I have no qualms giving me eye tracking data to Apple, but I do with Meta and have worked on their recommendation algorithms as well) and the software quality/ecosystem is going to be what makes Apple win this. Meta always positions themselves as the Android of the headset market, which I believe they will be.

My point still stands: I love that there's competition here. If I get to see the laptop and phone be 'legacy' devices in my lifetime, I will be happy to have seen such a transition in technology.

[pjerem]

Of course the $3500 have better tech than the $399 thing.

We still have to see what sellable product Apple will throw at us.

Actually I’m pretty confident that Apple may be onto something and that it’s maybe the "next big thing". But they’ll need to cut the price by at least half if not more if they want to bootstrap the market enough to make it the next iPhone.

Of course they could just market it like a high end spatial monitor but I don’t believe they’ll do : they need mass adoption if they want developers to create applications to sell on the App Store.

[threeseed]

> Quest is better tech right now

I don't know anyone who has said that the Quest has better tech.

Better ergonomics, product market fit, ecosystem etc. but not tech.

[m3kw9]

Better tech because he worked on it. It sounds like ego

[iwontberude]

Why does Quest 3 make me nauseous in passthrough within 15 minutes but Apple Vision Pro doesn't even after four or more hours in it? I think that is the bigger innovation. Vision Pro is the first headset I can hand my mom and not worry about it triggering vertigo.

[Panini_Jones]

I mentioned that I returned my Apple Vision Pro. I have had LASIK and am very sensitive in my eyes. I probably need another LASIK surgery or go onto glasses again. I did scan through almost every return post I could find on reddit to find similar issues.

The kicker? I didn't stumble upon any related to nausea. Having worked on Quest 2, this was a major concern at the time. I couldn't believe how few posts I saw[0].

I'm very happy to hear that your mom is using it! And without vertigo can be a very big step for these devices.

[0] - I'm sure there are posts. I just didn't see any when I was searching about how to return it.

[alberth]

Could you elaborate more.

I’d be bery interested to hear an educated view on this topic.