[profunctor]

What do you want to world to do? Russia is already under increasingly crippling sanctions and many countries are funding + arming its opponent in a war.

[SXX]

> What do you want to world to do?

Support Ukraine more.

Support refugees from Russia.

Enact personal sanctions against 6000 war-enablers that Navalny team prepared:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6000_List

And their families and kids who all keep their money in US, UK and EU.

[yolo3000]

Refugees from Russia? They are free to travel to many countries, there are plenty of Russian expats in Europe, who also happen to support Putin

[Muehe]

> And their families and kids who all keep their money in US, UK and EU.

Collective punishment is still a war crime.

[belter]

> Russia is already under increasingly crippling sanctions

You are surely joking...

"IMF raises Russia growth outlook as war boosts economy - New 2024 forecast of 2.6% rise doubles previous prediction and prompts questions over sanctions against Moscow" - https://www.ft.com/content/21a5be9c-afaa-495f-b7af-cf9370931...

[The_Colonel]

It's a war economy. Russia builds a lot of tanks, mans a large army, pays a lot to the families of the fallen, it all adds a lot to the GDP.

But those tanks are going to burn, they don't add value to the economy, won't be exchanged for foreign goods. If you dig a hole into the ground, you increase the GDP, war destruction is not much different in its value creation. GDP is not a perfect measure of an economy.

[empath-nirvana]

A) Russia is large enough that it doesn't really need foreign trade to have an economy B) We -- ie "the west" have no control over what India and China does wrt russia. If they keep buying Russian oil, we can't stop them.

[mschuster91]

> Russia is already under increasingly crippling sanctions and many countries are funding + arming its opponent in a war.

Supply more weapons to Ukraine? No matter what, Ukraine lacks resources everywhere. Tanks, long-range missiles, anti-air defense, artillery, ammunition.

Alternatively, we can do whatever we can to assist the Russian opposition. A lot of them have been forced into exile. Give them money and access to even a bit of the juicy stuff the CIA is bound to have on the entire Russian elite...

[bitcharmer]

> Russia is already under increasingly crippling sanctions

The sanctions don't look that crippling from where I'm standing. Russia keeps intensifying their war effort in Ukraine

[inference-lord]

That's different from having a working country and well functioning economy. Not that you're wrong, just I don't think that is in indication of the sanctions being effective or not.

[jacquesm]

They're not nearly crippling enough. But the problem is that there are a lot of sanction breakers and that those get away with it because we allow them to. That could and probably should stop. Obviously that will hurt the West as well but I'm ok with that, there are no principles without a cost.

[I_am_tiberius]

Everything we can.

[schappim]

What is left on the table?

[ed_balls]

There isn't much more we can do. NATO could end Russia with more weapons and making a defence deal with Saudis in exchange for price dumping of oil and gas[1].

But no one wants a nuclear state to fail. Moscow must be terrified of another coup d'etat, hence Navalny's death.

[1]extracting, insurance and delivery cost for Saudis are about $17 and for Russia it maybe as high as $40 now.

[neovialogistics]

Military intervention or something else?

[pier25]

What crippling sanctions?

It's business as usual in Russia.

The Moscow malls are full of people.

[rsynnott]

The sanctions on Russia can be ratcheted up a lot more, though there are risks to this.

[aubanel]

Systematically calling russian people Orcs is the worst dehumanising things to do IMO.

I have nothing to do with that conflict but I don't like how confident some people are that they're on the side of the Good, thus that they could do whatever to their opponents. (Cf Kasparov who wanted to nuke Russia at the beginning of the war)

[InCityDreams]

Leave Ukraine?

[belter]

You could call it the Munich Agreement 2.0... - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement

[AndyMcConachie]

And Julian Assange is still in prison.

Let's not pretend that Russia is the only country on the planet that houses political prisoners in its jails.

I'm sure I'll get downvoted to hell for this, but seriously, the west isn't any better.

[JohnBooty]

Zero large entities (countries, corporations, political parties, etc) have clean records.

We still need to fight -- or at the very least, call out -- injustice when it happens.

Pointing out Russia's misdeeds doesn't mean one thinks the West is innocent. It certainly is not. That's why you're being downvoted.