[j13n]

Nueva Pescanova is already sizing up cages.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-59667645

[pvaldes]

> Nueva Pescanova is already sizing up cages.

Please don't make false accusations about a third part without a minimum understanding of the matter first.

Nueva Pescanova has nothing to do with this case, and I doubt that they would be interested at all in breeding a deep sea (and, most probably, non edible) species.

[plasma_beam]

Come now, it wouldn’t be a normal HN conversation on octopuses if we didn’t debate whether to eat them or not.

[bertil]

Nothing to do with the controversy, just curious: Why would deep-sea octopuses not be edible?

[graemep]

I think its pretty obvious the comment you are replying to was a joke.

[u32480932048]

TYFYS, doing your part to Stop The Spread of dis-and-or-misinformation!

I usually accept any given internet comment as unimpeachable truth, and was just about to fire off a bunch of angry hate mail to Nueva Pescanova because of this specific thing!

Gosh, would I have felt silly to find out that they're not literally building cages for this particular species!

Do you have a source for your claim that nobody in this company is currently planning to build cages 10,000' underwater for a species that was just discovered?

[2muchcoffeeman]

I find it weird that people won't eat meat and poultry, but still eat fish and seafood and sometimes cite environmental reasons.

Most fish are caught and some sea based farming efforts have been pretty terrible for the environment.

I reckon if you want to eat meat still you should mostly be eating chicken.

[lukan]

"I reckon if you want to eat meat still you should mostly be eating chicken. "

But favorably chicken that has seen the sun and real soil to pick in, not only on the way to the slaughterhouse.

And there is nothing inheritently wrong with fishing, it is just that the way it is usually done, is quite horrific. But there is somewhat certified ethical fishing. Or local fishermen.

[graemep]

There are other reasons than environmental for eating fish but not meat.

I used to be pescatarian and my main reason for that was factory farming. Once reason I now eat meat is that it has become a lot easier to buy meat that has been well treated.

[ArtDev]

Before I was a programmer, I was a marine biologist and also worked as a fish farmer.

By virtually all metrics, intensive land-based animal farming is much harder on the environment. Also, in terms of animal welfare, its super sketchy even with animals labeled organic.

The misinformation around fish farming is absurd. I think people want to believe in the myth that commercial fishing is a couple guys in a wooden boat; when its actually a floating factory discarding up to half or more of what it kills.

There are many aquatic things I won't eat but mostly it is of the "wild fish" variety (overfishing, pollution, mercury, bycatch). I worked a single season as a fisheries observer in Alaska. The destruction was maddening.

I put wild fish in quotes because many times they are raised in a hatcheries then released into the wild. Which has ruined the gene pool of salmon in places that do this.

After a few years raising chickens at my home farm, I became pescatarian. I drew an arbitrary line at intelligence where I wouldn't eat anything as smart or smarter than a chicken.

Anyhow, avoiding farmed fish while eating land meat is really misinformed. I think the meat industry and commercial fishing industries have managed to completely misinform the American public (and a few well-meaning but misleading documentaries on the subject).

America doesn't not farm very many aquatic things besides oysters, trout and catfish. Which are all very very green industries. I like to bring these ones up in conversations about this topic.

[moffkalast]

I think it's more to do with us being able to empathize more easily with other land animals because we're biologically similar. Fish can't scream in pain or show basically any emotion we'd recognize at all. They're so different it's like looking at a wiggling steak, so it's trivial to dismiss them as simple automatons.

[LazyMans]

It takes some effort, but you can buy responsibly raised/caught seafood. https://www.seafoodwatch.org/recommendations/download-consum...

[poulpy123]

because people feel less close from fish and seashell than birds, and less close than birds than mammals.

[anthomtb]

I refuse to eat Octopus based on its level of sentience.

I regularly eat pig despite a higher level of sentience. And despite having had far more interactions with pigs compared to Octopus.

Point being, we humans really are not rational with our food choices.

[hammock]

>Most fish are caught

Overfishing aside, I guess you would most often find people that believe hunting /fishing for your food is more ethical than farming it

[piombisallow]

From an ecological perspective, farming is probably better than fishing wild species no?

[kjkjadksj]

Nah fishing wild is better assuming your catch rate is sustainable for the population. Farming means taking acres of natural area with a careful web of ecological interactions that took millions of years to develop as such, and replacing all of that with a temperamental monocrop sometimes as far as the eye can see. It would be like if we fished by first sterilizing the ocean and then growing up some goldfish.

[piombisallow]

You first buddy.