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zcmack | 2 years ago

in a world where iOS users won't install another free app from the app store because they already use iMessage, matrix is like asking for your friends to perform calculus just to talk to you.

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dijit|2 years ago

Sure, but I don't see whatsapp/telegram as worse realistically if you've already lost at that level.

Signal is very much in the same area of: "trust us".

With a caveat that they also say: "here's a bunch of information on why you should: but you can't really verify any of it and we have proven bad faith before- also we have an army of people who will pile-on if you call us out for not being actually verified, so, just trust us- we are the secure messenger and all those scary things are just so we are easy to use".

Nab443|2 years ago

I read somewhere here that, in the case of what's app more metadata is shared with meta, and telegram doesn't have E2EE by default for groups. Didn't check though.

tamimio|2 years ago

Pretty much, Signal is more dangerous for giving that false sense of privacy while you need to trust them just like other messaging apps, no thanks.

godelski|2 years ago

Funny enough the best way I found to convince iOS users to talk to me on signal is by telling them it's like iMessage but cross platform. Sure there are differences but most people aren't using those features. I do think signal could really benefit by just linking signalstickers.com into the app since that's the biggest complaint I actually get.