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I am not going to talk about Switzerland.

Orthodox in Israel are excluded from military service. But there are settlers... Ethical my bum.. also there are like 20% Arabs... You should really spend some time in there, crazy country.

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> Orthodox in Israel are excluded from military service.

I was curious about Israel, so I did some quick Googling:

The orthodox in Israel are not excluded from forced military service. Their service can be postponed while they are in religious school. It is also shortened.

They are not against conscription on ethical grounds. They just think that religious studies are a lot more important. They also do not want to mix with the general population since they do not like their way of living.

So if they were forced into conscription where they could do a lot of religious studying together with their own people, they wouldn't have much against it.

Did I get anything wrong here?

> You should really spend some time in there, crazy country.

That's a ringing endorsement if I ever saw one. Have you considered becoming a travel agent? ;)

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They were excluded until very recently. I think details are not relevant, but look how long they do studies, dodging ratios, where they serve, extremism, tax payments... It really does not belong here.

My point is that Israel is really not good example of a country with "happy conscription".

Israel is actually good pace to visit now. Cheaper than usually, far less tourist, stay on coast (Haifa and Tel Aviv) avoid religious sites. I am going there in October for two weeks.