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I have to be a bit careful what I say here.

Orthodox have certain political views, that do not mix well with majority of liberal population. They claim ethical/non-military grounds when it comes to conscription, but are very strongly opinionated in other areas.

And look who is doing actual fighting in Gaza. There are are like 5000 US Navy seals. Conscript army can not even man fortified bunkers!

> My claim is that among the top 10 happiest countries,

I read Israel faces genocide, that does not sound very happy!

If you look at some stats, North Korea is doing pretty well, they have like 40% gender equality or whatever.

I would really recommend you to travel a bit. You obviously do not have much experience (stats, research). Israel is quite ok now.

If you want good safe place for "cultural shock", Jeddah would be good, nice corrals...

[fl7305]

> Orthodox have certain political views, that do not mix well with majority of liberal population. They claim ethical/non-military grounds when it comes to conscription

Their "ethical grounds" is that religious studies and keeping themselves separate is more important than military service, not that conscription is ethically wrong in itself. If they had their own country, they'd happily use conscription.

So you can make all kinds of arguments why this group is the worst. Their views doesn't support your claim that there is a "huge opposition to conscription on ethical grounds in Israel".

> Conscript army can not even man fortified bunkers

That's like saying child labor is wrong because children have a poor sense of quality. Ok, true, but that's not why I'm against it.

And of course I don't agree that the conscript armies in the nordic countries are inherently much worse than professional armies.