[calsy]

Its not developer or people friendly? What are you talking about??? They have the most mature dev stack for app development available.

Its the most convenient option for anyone who owns an Apple device by far. Its not even an argument, the number of apps and the income generated from customers says it all.

People want fully featured apps, not companion apps. Your personal feelings on the matter aren't relevant to what a customer wants.

[orwin]

> People want fully featured apps, not companion apps

Not my experience. I rock climb, sail and play pen and paper rpgs. I have a companion app for the second, four for the third (2 I coded myself). The rock climbing is the only one that would need a true app (with geo-localisation and maybe a gmap interface). Idem for my work, I don't care, on my phone, about a full feature github, or even email service.

Just forgot, I also have a tuner, it's a full app but it doesn't need to be (I had one of Firefox OS too, you only had web apps on it).

[calsy]

You code? Then you should know your personal preferences are completely irrelevant. You think 99.999999%+ of apple users care about github or Firefox OS. Why even bring it up? 'I like using these specific apps, so millions upon millions of other users must be identical to me.'.

The initial argument was completely different. This person makes companion apps simply because they don't like Apples business practices. Lovely for him I guess.. for most it makes absolutely no sense financially to ignore your customers needs based on a personal preference. Customer will just use a better, fully featured app thats not bound by the developers inflated ego.

[hu3]

> They have the most mature dev stack for app development available.

By what standard?

Xcode is historically inferior when compared to the likes of Jetbrains IDEs and Visual Studio.

And their documentation is so bad devs resort to watching WWDC videos in search for scraps of information.

[calsy]

What can I say.. That is completely false, 100% false, its not an argument. Infinitely more apps have been developed in Xcode than Jetbrains IDEs and Visual Studio combined. Now and historically.

Anecdotal stories of developers watching WWDC videos for info means something? There are millions upon millions of developers who worked and created apps just fine without referring to WWDC videos.