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smoothjazz | 2 years ago

Why would anyone disagree with “wokeness”? I think that says a lot. Are the ultra-rich who complain about the “woke mind virus” hurt in any way by diversity? No, they are not.

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bodiekane|2 years ago

Why would anyone disagree with fundamentalist Christianity? Why would anyone disagree with Wahhabist Islam? Why would anyone disagree with Maoism?

People have different opinions on politics, religion, society. The more extremist a certain group/movement/ideology is the more concerned about it people will become.

smoothjazz|2 years ago

"Wokeness" as defined by the people who use it is not a religion (and it's not extreme). It's just pejorative word for diversity used by people who believe in white supremacy.

claytongulick|2 years ago

A fun game is to templatize that statement and try swapping it out with other beliefs:

Why would anyone disagree with <something I agree with>. I think that says a lot. Are the <people who my ideology targets> who complain about the <derogatory term for my political belief> hurt in any way by <the best part of my political belief>? No, they are not.

Why would anyone disagree with environmental activism. I think that says a lot. Are the corporate polluters who complain about the tree huggers hurt in any way by clean water? No, they are not.

Why would anyone disagree with conservatism. I think that says a lot. Are the left-wingers who complain about the rightards hurt in any way by individual liberty? No, they are not.

smoothjazz|2 years ago

Who are "my ideological targets"?

tanseydavid|2 years ago

>> Why would anyone disagree with “wokeness”?

Do you really expect universal understanding and agreement with a word/term that you felt necessary to put into air-quotes?

How about a proper definition to start with? Simply so that one can be clear on what they are agreeing or disagreeing with.

throwwwaway|2 years ago

Here's a definition that should be acceptable to both sides.

Wokeness is the belief in three axioms: 1. Disparity is undesirable 2. Disparity is caused by discrimination 3. Applying different discrimination will reduce disparity

Those on the "for" side will agree with these axioms. Those on the "against" side will disagree with these axioms.

Tiktaalik|2 years ago

People who use the word woke won't even define it themselves because doing so makes them look clearly like a bigot.

That's why it's all nods and winks.

smoothjazz|2 years ago

I put it in quotes because it's the term a certain set of people use (not me). It had a historical meaning to the Black community but that's been usurped by reactionaries.

almatabata|2 years ago

Wokeness or being woke originally simply meant "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination". Very few people disagree with this because being alert does not say anything about how much prejudice exists. Two people can considers themselves woke by that definition and have radical different perceptions of prejudice.

The disagreement always comes when it comes to actually implementing solutions to the racial prejudice and discrimination.