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patientzero | 2 years ago

You speak as if Toyota wouldn't move the market themselves and needs the pricing Tesla needs to make a profit. I also don't understand the concept that hybrids are cheaper. They are cheaper because it is Toyota making a more complex car than a non-car maker could attempt.

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dragontamer|2 years ago

All the "complexity" of a hybrid (or at least... a Prius) is approximately 15 gears that replace the alternator/starter/transmission.

The Toyota Power-split device is a planetary-gearset connecting 2x electric motors/generators with 1x ICE engine.

But a regular ICE car needs 2x electric motor/generators *anyway*. #1 is called the starter (turns Lead-Acid battery pack into cranking force to start the engine), and #2 is called the alternator (turns engine RPMs into electricity to charge the battery pack). Then you need a gear-shifter to have the ICE car handle a variety of different speeds.

Change #1 and #2 to be bigger, stronger. Then make the effective-gear shifting a function of the relationship of #1 vs #2 RPMs, and you got a Toyota Power Split Device.

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Its so efficient and usable, that Ford has copied the design, as well as Stellanis's Chrysler Pacifica. As it turns out, a Hybrid barely has any more complexity over a regular ICE in practice.

Its just a *different* set of gears, but really not a big deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofycaXByTc

Over the last 25 years of Prius, the Hybrid / Power-split Device has rarely failed. Prius transmission / generator / starter is incredibly reliable. Its just gears.

All in all, the "complexity" of a Hybrid is roughly the same level of complexity as an automatic-transmission wet-clutch device.

Ekaros|2 years ago

It seems that massive batteries required by EVs are surprisingly expensive. And ICE+Hybrid tech is not so much...

mint2|2 years ago

Toyota has no problem trying to make hydrogen vehicles happen despite the hydrogen stack costing over $10k.

In other words, The reason Toyota doesn’t have a successful EV line is due to Toyota not wanting to try because they bet on hydrogen early on instead of EVs