It's not 1939 (as if their invasion of Poland was justifiable or is that not what you're claiming?). Nobody has been threatening Russian security for decades. Even back in the cold war does there were no serious plans to invade Russia itself.
> Please try to raise the level of discourse beyond the boogyman
That's sounds rather absurd... You're the one who's using propaganda bullet points like "It's about Russian security"?
Everything Putin is doing is worsening Russia's security situation.
As a direct result of Russia's war, NATO has expanded and Russia is now very much in China's pocket. China is quite happy to have Russia as a vassal state.
Russia had a mini civil war with Prigozhin's rebellion. Russians have been killing Russians.
Russia's life expectancy was already lower than that of developed countries and this pointless war of choice is steadily killing off an entire generation of young Russians.
Oh BS it's security. Like they are threatened by a small peacefull country next door with a comedian elected as president to join the EU, when they have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world and a dictator skilled in mass murder.
Are you aware of the Monroe doctrine? Cuban missile crisis? Can you imagine the US reaction if Russia placed missiles in Canada or Mexico?
Mearsheimer explains the perceived threat aspect very well: it doesn't matter what YOU, the Americans or any outside observer thinks. What does matter is what the Russians think,
and they've made their thinking on having Ukraine be part of NATO very clear.
The Russians were, as they made clear on multiple occasions, threatened by NATO moving into Ukraine and potentially placing missiles close to the Russian heartland.
type0|2 years ago
> boogyman propaganda so beloved of Hollywood.
not hollywood, they say it on Russian state tv, if you take your head out of your arse and manage to watch and listen you'll see it loud and clearly
tim333|2 years ago
Wytwwww|2 years ago
It's not 1939 (as if their invasion of Poland was justifiable or is that not what you're claiming?). Nobody has been threatening Russian security for decades. Even back in the cold war does there were no serious plans to invade Russia itself.
> Please try to raise the level of discourse beyond the boogyman
That's sounds rather absurd... You're the one who's using propaganda bullet points like "It's about Russian security"?
boffinAudio|2 years ago
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peutetre|2 years ago
As a direct result of Russia's war, NATO has expanded and Russia is now very much in China's pocket. China is quite happy to have Russia as a vassal state.
Russia had a mini civil war with Prigozhin's rebellion. Russians have been killing Russians.
Russia's life expectancy was already lower than that of developed countries and this pointless war of choice is steadily killing off an entire generation of young Russians.
argentier|2 years ago
tim333|2 years ago
>Western historians have calculated that, over the last 400 years of its existence, the Russian Empire expanded at an average rate of 50 square kilometers per day. (https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2014/09/10/putins-nationalism...)
Could it instead just be that they are just doing what they have habitually done?
armitron|2 years ago
Mearsheimer explains the perceived threat aspect very well: it doesn't matter what YOU, the Americans or any outside observer thinks. What does matter is what the Russians think, and they've made their thinking on having Ukraine be part of NATO very clear.
argentier|2 years ago