[lionelw]

>You aren't "programming the presentation logic", you're configuring the browser.

Under-appreciation of frontend skills in action. Do you think of "presentation logic" as an oxymoron?

I think many people can't see HTML, CSS and even SQL of backend land as programming languages, because they don't think declarative Domain Specific Languages (DSLs) count, don't think of their specificity and limitations as design strengths, and because each one is super easy learn to start but the rest of the enormous iceberg is so often ignored.

[acureau]

No, I don't. I consider presentation logic to be the browser code parsing those configurations. Many people "can't see" HTML, CSS, or SQL as programming languages because they aren't programming languages. When you write markup, database queries, and styles you are factually not programming. This is fine, it does not devalue those skills in any way.

That being said, to my knowledge front-end developers generally are JavaScript programmers. I consider front-end developers to be programmers.