[pangolinja]

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[vkreso]

The west lost? When did that happen?

[avmich]

You won't prove it to those who don't want the proof. Just clean up the place and build what's needed, let those who "know better" to keep claiming they're the masters of the universe.

[slowturtle]

The war's been at a stalemate for over a year with Ukraine having lost control of its eastern provinces in spite of receiving hundreds of billions of dollars in aid from "the West". Sounds like a loss to me, regardless of one's personal feelings.