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pwb25 | 2 years ago

the american at will system at work. I dont judge the content of the protest itself, but that you can be fired for political beliefes is crazy to me as a european

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gnfargbl|2 years ago

He wasn't fired for his political beliefs. He was fired for persistently heckling a senior leader during a public presentation, which meets anyone's definition of gross insubordination. He could have gone on a tirade about how Google supports putting ketchup on hot dogs and the result would have been the same, in Europe or the US.

throwaway74432|2 years ago

Depends. Do we have any examples of Google allowing obnoxious heckling when it is coming from another political belief? Consistency is key.

FirmwareBurner|2 years ago

Please stop generalizing. As a an european you definitely CAN be fired here for political beliefs if they impact work. Actually you can be fired for anything. Come to Austria and see.

You're not allowed to bring your political beliefs at work, which IMHO is best for everyone. Keep them at home/your private time. Same for religion, sexuality, etc. Your workplace is not your market square for your personal beliefs and activism.

truckerbill|2 years ago

This behaviour is itself inherently good for authoritarian regimes though. You can’t escape politics

pimeys|2 years ago

Yeah, you should definitely also stop talking about your kids at work. Nobody cares about your straight lifestyle.

matthewmacleod|2 years ago

You're not allowed to bring your political beliefs at work, which IMHO is best for everyone.

Everybody does bring their political beliefs to work, and it manifests in things like how they interact with their colleagues and customers.

Choosing whether or not to provide equal benefits to same-sex couples is a political decision. Providing goods or services to an authoritarian regime is a political act. Your maternity policy is a political act. Even your dress code can be a political act.

What you really mean is that people shouldn’t be bringing to work views outside of a small range you deem uncontroversial.

tyleo|2 years ago

Idt it’s political beliefs. The protestor was sorta heckling a presentation to my eye.

Edit:

This is even brought up in the second bullet of the linked page.

> The worker stood and shouted during a presentation by Google Israel's managing director.

ParetoOptimal|2 years ago

If their reason for doing it was a political cause it was a protest.

Hecklers only cause is heckling.

pwb25|2 years ago

ok, still way to much to get fired over. one small thing ? lol americans are so sensitive

rzimmerman|2 years ago

He wasn’t fired for his beliefs. He was fired for screaming and interrupting a coworker’s presentation in a public setting.

brink|2 years ago

Can't you go to jail for saying the wrong thing in Europe?

junon|2 years ago

Depends on the thing and the place. In Germany you cannot do a Sieg Heil salute in public, for obvious reasons - and even that is loosely enforced. But you're absolutely allowed to protest.

fifteen1506|2 years ago

Only if you insist on saying Heil Hitler non-stop. Besides that, no.

Even then, Nazi salute is being used on my country's parties and everyone shrugs.

djakaitis|2 years ago

Isn’t it illegal to publicly display any nazi symbols in Germany?

pwb25|2 years ago

yes it is , but thats a law not some random decicision by a company

Doesn't mean I agree with the law, but at least its more fair

timeon|2 years ago

Is that legit political belief? I ISIS legal in US too?

XorNot|2 years ago

Pretty sure you'll be fired for disrupting company events for your political beliefs in the EU as well, which is what this employee did.

It would be a different matter if they were simply attending pro-Palestine protests on their own time.

HL33tibCe7|2 years ago

I agree with the substance of the protest and frankly I respect the bravery of the person who conducted it. But let’s be realistic here: they were not fired for their views, they were fired for the manner in which they displayed them, which was clearly not appropriate for the workplace, and really left Google no choice but to fire them.

yunesj|2 years ago

"an employee disrupted a coworker who was giving a presentation — interfering with an official company-sponsored event"

willmadden|2 years ago

People are jailed for their political beliefs throughout most of Europe.

HL33tibCe7|2 years ago

Not just political beliefs. In many countries in Europe you can be jailed merely for sending an “offensive” message.

sgift|2 years ago

> You can be jailed for your political beliefs throughout most of Europe.

Uh ... since when?

pwb25|2 years ago

Not if they are following the law no

CapitalistCartr|2 years ago

"that you can be fired for political beliefes is crazy to me as a european"

Many of us Americans do as well, but America's rich love it.