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ttz | 1 year ago

Why does it matter if you don't get promoted? What if you like doing good work, making all that impact by osmosis anyway, but do it for the sake of just liking your damn job?

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Terr_|1 year ago

> Why does it matter if you don't get promoted?

I think the point of the blog-post is that in the long-term it makes it harder to be employed at all.

Kind of like the quip that you can ignore politics, but it won't ignore you.

ttz|1 year ago

Not arguing against you in any way, but IMO, if you're at a place where politics will dictate your _actual continued employment_, it's probably not somewhere I'd particularly enjoy working.

theamk|1 year ago

That's what I thought as well, and then my company merged with another one with a very different culture.

Design review? "Let's get some Staff engineers in the room". Promotions? "Senior Staff decide". At some moment there was almost a totally silly situation when a redesign for a widely-used internal system was going to happen without engineers who wrote and maintained it - just because those engineers never bothered to chase the titles.

nine_zeros|1 year ago

> Design review? "Let's get some Staff engineers in the room". Promotions? "Senior Staff decide". At some moment there was almost a totally silly situation when a redesign for a widely-used internal system was going to happen without engineers who wrote and maintained it - just because those engineers never bothered to chase the titles.

At my company, Staffs were making promo feedback on people they've never interacted with. When asked about Jeff, they just reported, "I haven't seen Jeff's work".

The reason why the staff never interacted with Jeff was because they were both working on different things for many months. For their paths to cross, the staff would have had to be on-call for services Jeff was neck deep in.

But the director took the staff's feedback to Intuit that Jeff is not building relationships at his level. Stack ranked, pipped and fired Jeff who single handedly kept a service alive.

When one sees organizational dysfunction such as this, you start losing faith in corporate structures and management. The work environment just becomes a shithole of confusion. Dysfunctional structures and poor management practices are so pervasive in American tech industry it's a case study of it's own.

euroderf|1 year ago

One might term it "needlessly greenfield".

dchftcs|1 year ago

Maybe you can also tell the business owner to like his damn job of managing the company more than the sweet profits coming from underpaying senior engineers?

ttz|1 year ago

Not following the relevance here. I acknowledge and am aware this is very common, and it's a shame. But seems like a separate discussion.