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ninja3925 | 1 year ago

The ability for the government to spend money it doesn’t have doesn’t cease to amaze. The deficit was $1.6T last year (over 5% of the GDP) but 2024 is starting strong.

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nameless912|1 year ago

A not-insignificant part of that deficit though was programs and tax cuts from the previous administration. I agree, our government probably shouldn't be allowed to spend money it doesn't have, but the obvious solution (higher taxes, especially on the wealthy) isn't politically palatable, so every president is locked into the same pattern: start a bunch of spending, but back-load the actual expenses so the next administration has to deal with it. The deficit has gone down over the last few years, which means that we're getting more revenue and saving some money, but because deficit is an easier number to digest than change-in-deficit, we keep whinging about it rather than changing anything. And then the next administration comes in and points fingers at the previous while continuing the cycle of overspending.

FWIW the current administration and Congress have done a historically slightly-above-average job of reducing the deficit, I won't call it good but it's at least not terrible. The current spending isn't the problem, it's stuff from a few years ago coming to bite us in the ass.

willcipriano|1 year ago

The deficit is down from the highs of the pandemic spending.

That's like saying the deficit is down post WW2 and taking credit for it.

ihalip|1 year ago

How do tax changes from a few years back affect the current deficit? Shouldn't they be already "priced in" the budget?

anon373839|1 year ago

This is a different issue. This is a fix for the borrowers who were scammed by the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program, which although enshrined in law, was implemented as a massive fraud.

silverquiet|1 year ago

Amaze isn't the word I'd use, but Keynes did say something rather profound - "anything we can actually do we can afford". I think of the economy a bit like the power grid; it's really a just-in-time system that can only deliver productive capacity in real-time (though this analogy is changing with grid-scale power storage). In some sense, money is just an abstraction on top of that. Or I have no idea what I'm talking about, but also I don't think economists really have that good of a handle on things either.

js8|1 year ago

I think the best analogy for money is blood.

From the perspective of a household (a cell), or a company (an organ), money (blood) are a limited resource, which constraints what you can do. If you don't have that resource, you will die.

But from the perspective of the state (the organism) or the government (CNS), money (blood) is just an accounting and distribution mechanism for real resources, which are things like energy, raw materials and labor (oxygen, minerals and sugar). From this perspective, amount of money/blood can be adapted to conditions (for example in emergency, money/blood can be redirected to vital industries/organs), and it is created or destroyed internally, in any amount required. So the amount of money (blood) is not a constraint, resources (oxygen, food) are.

thelastparadise|1 year ago

> it's really a just-in-time system that can only deliver productive capacity in real-time

It's a sophisticated game of monopoly where select few players can coopt the productive capacity of the labor class.

vmfunction|1 year ago

As long as $ is the global reserve currency, these number are pretty much meaningless. Not to say it will be this way forever. We already can see other countries are doing everything they can to trade commodities in their own respective currencies (Russia, India, Japan, etc).

It is actually a great effort to forgive student loans. In US it is one of most debilitating factor for people who went to college (especially the private ones).

Why not do this earlier but wait for an election year? This just looks like a election campaign stunt to me.

trust_bt_verify|1 year ago

Your final point feels poorly researched. I believe this administration has consistently focused on the student loan crisis outside of election years also.

skhunted|1 year ago

The government isn’t spending money it doesn’t have. It does spend money it borrows from lenders. The lenders think it is a relatively safe investment since they keep lending money to the U.S. government.

I’ve been hearing doom and gloom about the deficit for 50 years. It primarily occurs when a Democrat is President and subsides when a Republican is President. This not a reference to OP. I state this to try to give some perspective to those who read this.

thelastparadise|1 year ago

Debt to GDP over 100% and growing exponentially is new (outside WWII).

TimMeade|1 year ago

The government is borrowing the majority of the funds from the FED. From itself. They are printing it and loaning it to themselves.