What specific needs are met by daily status updates? Professionals outside of software don't do that. The best software projects don't do that. It's very popular in CRUD projects led by non-technical middle management with trust issues.
> What specific needs are met by daily status updates?
You are assuming (1) that standups are status updates, and (2) that they are scheduled by manager, and (3) for benefit of the manager.
In the last several teams I’ve managed, it’s the crew that has encouraged meeting daily, and in the standups they are mainly talking to each other. It’s where they cover hot topics and bugs for the day quickly, with the fluidity of spoken conversation instead of Slack, and also there’s a non-zero amount of friendly casual conversation.
Don’t force teams to have standups, but also don’t assume a team won’t like it.
They just recommended cross-checking status updates in "stand up" meetings with commit history to catch engineers underperforming. That is (1) (2) and (3).
You are not answering my question. No, you ask your acquaintances who work in law, finance or medicine. Neither does academia have any "stand up". What specific needs do CRUD software projects have that are met by infantilizing daily status reports? What needs for daily status reports do these projects have that the Linux kernel doesn't?
> Professionals outside of software don't do that.
What, and I mean this in the nicest way possible, the everliving fuck are you talking about?
Professionals do this constantly. Go sit in an ER and watch the hand off between shifts. Go see any serious manufacturing facility and see them review daily everything that happened the previous day. Go see an effective sales org in action.
The scrumbags may have ruined software, but that certainly isn’t the world.
You make your not entirely unreasonable points sound like the output of a zealot.
"Stand up" meetings are not hand offs in the ER. Continuous integration with automated testing is.
Why are there no laymen agile coaches at law firms, and no "today I did this, today I did that" breakfast meetings in finance, or in CS academia? Other professionals don't accept this kind of infantilization.
khazhoux|1 year ago
You are assuming (1) that standups are status updates, and (2) that they are scheduled by manager, and (3) for benefit of the manager.
In the last several teams I’ve managed, it’s the crew that has encouraged meeting daily, and in the standups they are mainly talking to each other. It’s where they cover hot topics and bugs for the day quickly, with the fluidity of spoken conversation instead of Slack, and also there’s a non-zero amount of friendly casual conversation.
Don’t force teams to have standups, but also don’t assume a team won’t like it.
ResearchCode|1 year ago
samatman|1 year ago
How do you know this? Have you done an exhaustive search?
For one example, are you quite certain that no part of any military ever does this?
What about every factory?
ResearchCode|1 year ago
jen20|1 year ago
What, and I mean this in the nicest way possible, the everliving fuck are you talking about?
Professionals do this constantly. Go sit in an ER and watch the hand off between shifts. Go see any serious manufacturing facility and see them review daily everything that happened the previous day. Go see an effective sales org in action.
The scrumbags may have ruined software, but that certainly isn’t the world.
You make your not entirely unreasonable points sound like the output of a zealot.
ResearchCode|1 year ago
Why are there no laymen agile coaches at law firms, and no "today I did this, today I did that" breakfast meetings in finance, or in CS academia? Other professionals don't accept this kind of infantilization.