[naavis]

Everything can be a process. If some individual is truly fully responsible for a screwup, what process allowed the person to get that far?

[robertlagrant]

If I as a professional footballer repeatedly foul people, which process is at fault when no one else around me does that?

Unless you just call everything a process: "His childhood was difficult and that's why he fouls people. Let's call his childhood a process."

I think at some point you have to say that some things are not processes, or cannot usefully described as such. Or they devolve into Zeno's paradox.

[sokoloff]

> If I as a professional footballer repeatedly foul people, which process is at fault when no one else around me does that?

The process that hasn't cut you from the football team.

[mschuster91]

> Unless you just call everything a process: "His childhood was difficult and that's why he fouls people. Let's call his childhood a process."

Well... attempting to prevent stuff like bullying or domestic violence is a worthwhile goal in itself.

For the example of the soccer player, one might also question other incentives (e.g. bonuses tied to winning games no-matter-what), or why a player with a known history was hired in the first place.

[mlrtime]

A foul is a statistic that is easily countable. If goals are greater than fouls then it may make sense to keep that footballer anyway.

I hope we aren't using football as an analogy for avionic engineering with 1000's of people.

[ejb999]

I disagree - if 'everything can be a process' we wouldn't need human judgement anywhere - and clearly we clearly still do need humans in the loop - and the reality is the judgement of humans is not all created equal. Some are better than others.

[qznc]

A process may include human judgement. I don't get your disagreement.