[monospaced]

The will likely be using Phoenix: https://www.dataport.de/about-phoenix/

The German government developed a fully free and open source solution that is quite similar (consisting of Nextcloud, jitsi, Collabora etc.) and can be deployed using Kubernetes: https://gitlab.opencode.de/bmi/opendesk

[jorvi]

It’s kind of a bummer that there’s a bunch of these separate OSS initiatives in Spain, France, Germany and a few other countries..

Instead of everyone rolling their own subvariant of Nextcloud, Matrix, LibreOffice etc, imagine if there was an EU mandate set up and some serious money was budgeted to it.

You’d get a triple multiplier of more budget, less duplication of effort, and a self-reinforcing cycle where more use means the product becomes better through contribs which makes use even more attractive.

[Arathorn]

Speaking from the Matrix side: it would definitely be preferable to have a large reliable source of funding for public sector Matrix deployments rather than juggling between loads of small overlapping ones (especially when they end up failing to route any $ to the upstreams). That said, Schleswig Holstein is looking to route $ upstream in this instance.

[otherme123]

This is a mistake at this phase. Right now, we europeans still didn't figure out what is the best way, so each country tries something different. With time, failures will be replaced with winners.

[tpm]

You are underestimating German federalism - there are several competing providers for each specialized software used by German municipalities, often with huge customisations. There is no way you could mandate a specific product. What can be done from above, in some cases, is specifying requirements (for eg data storage, privacy laws, code auditability...) and APIs (like APIs to federal agencies) and let the customers and providers create solutions. It might be messier, but in the end you are not dependent on a single product.

[unkoman]

I think I want less bureaucracy in my development so happy to see multiple versions and letting them battling them out

[isodev]

But isn’t this the very centralisation we’re trying to avoid?

[vasco]

State mandated projects give you things like the Lidl AWS "alternative" who's pricing page is a downloadable PDF.

[lyu07282]

> imagine if there was an EU mandate set up and some serious money was budgeted to it.

We saw what that looks like already. "Gaia-X" it was a huge clusterfuck and burned to the ground before it even began.

[CRConrad]

Yeah, then they could use it in... Jorvi. ;-D

Could be familiar to you, but if not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorvi_Hospital

[lyu07282]

Very typical for Germany, they rather roll their own solutions than cooperating with other countries and pooling resources. But it's even worse than that, each state within Germany does their own bureaucracy differently as well, to varying degrees.