[p4x_real]

there’s no “allegedly” about it. These countries do it and they do it openly. Or do you really think that there’s a bunch of really good North Korean hackers with the time and money to be stealing crypto in sophisticated attacks with no association to the government?

And I see the cyber realm as an alternative to missiles and bombs. Yes it’s like another sanction - why do you think sanctions are bad? It puts the onus on the country leader to figure it out without the help we give them.

Also what crime did i commit? The US and much of the world don’t even recognize NK as a country, they’re a terrorist state. If hitting a terrorist state with a simple cyber attack is “too much war community” for you what do you suggest? That we ask real nice? I think we’ve tried that. It didn’t go well.

Also let me clarify - I hit NK’s internet. The people of north korea DO NOT have access to the internet. It is the elites and the government only. So literally no civilian was harmed. It really doesn’t get any more targeted than that. I’m not advocating for hitting innocent civilians with attacks all day. Hit the ones causing the pain and suffering for their own people and others.

This shit needs to stop from NK because they literally give 0 fucks what they do to us. They hit our civilians, hell they kidnap people, torture them, and murder them (see the Warmbier case).

Either way, always up for suggestions! What route would you go down? What would you do about this?

- P4x

[pphysch]

Thanks for chiming in. I stand by everything I said in my previous comment.

> These countries do it and they do it openly.

Please share a SINGLE example of a government openly taking credit for a ransomware attack.

> Yes it’s like another sanction - why do you think sanctions are bad?

Sanctions against individual entities are okay. Sanctions against entire countries are barbaric; collective punishment is a violation of international law. Why do you think diabetic Syrian children should be starved of insulin because a hostile foreign government unilaterally decided the Syrian state needs to be overthrown (e.g. Caesar sanctions)?

> Either way, always up for suggestions! What route would you go down? What would you do about this?

You clearly have a misinformed and underdeveloped view of geopolitics and non-Western countries like North Korea, which is why I think it is a travesty that you are talking about unleashing terror (industrial sabotage) upon those countries AND that the US government and mainstream media are entertaining those thoughts. The idea that North Korean civilians, particularly those involved in commerce, don't have any access to digital communications is utterly preposterous.

DPRK/North Korea is made up of regular humans that have wildly different cultural and political norms than us. Their country and population was horrifically devastated ~75 years ago on a scale that we in the Western hemisphere simply cannot conceive. They were shut out of the Western-dominated global order and are kept on a leash as a nuclear-armed pariah state; an permanent "threat" that warrants enormous investment in the South Korean, Japanese, and US military complexes.

My suggestion is this: have a modicum of curiosity and empathy about your "enemy" especially when it's an entire demographic. Why are they the way they are? What is a "siege mentality"? I don't have any issue with targeting specific entities including governments that are clearly associated with cyberwarfare or other crimes, but collective punishment is evil. Do a little bit of research about what Koreans on both sides have gone through, instead of dehumanizing them and committing evil.

[ametrau]

This is a very good reference that backs up idea that only the elites and special operative have access to the inter net: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1slq5K6ZcSltYreaPQuhlCB9-cJk.... The people apparently operate on the intranet only.