I was at a trading desk today, there really were issues at Nasdaq. I've never seen such fury and never heard such obscenities. Traders didn't know what their positions were and those who did know of their positions, couldn't be sure of the price they received.
See the peaks at 4:24, 4:52, 5:10PM pacific? Nearly a million shares changing hands after hours >10% above the official closing price for the day? That is some strange stuff on IPO day.
Despite witnessing countless "enterprise" systems built out of bubble gum and popsicle sticks, I still have a hard time believing that Nasdaq really couldn't handle this technically... I'm not sure what to make of this.
At least one person on here complained about it earlier. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3993787 It could well be true, after all there were half a billion trades today on FB alone.
I don't have insight into it but this sounds to me like the underwriters making excuses for a "poor performing" IPO.
I have no idea which way FB will head on Monday but am pretty sceptical that this is at all relevant to their 1st day performance. I wouldn't base optimism specifically on the viewpoint
I had a limit buy order at $45 which I placed at 11am (when it opened) which was never filled (and should have been, as the price never went above $43 or so). There were definite trading glitches, and if they were skewed on the buy side, that could definitely have affected the price.
EDIT: Actually, the order did go through (annoyingly, at $42). The delay was just in the reporting. So never mind.
What I've heard (from a friend at MS) is that the initial delay was due to the underwriters convincing larger funds not to just dump all their shares at the open ...
Something was definitely broke, as I was watching stocktwits to see what people were saying about Facebook. I saw at least 3 or 4 people saying that their orders were not being confirmed and still listed as pending. One was using scottrade I believe.
However, I was able to purchase stock just fine via tdameritrade.
I think that's exactly why Facebook announced the Karma acquisition after markets closed Today. Since there won't be any underwriter protection to keep the price at above $38 on Monday, I believe Facebook timely released the acquisition news to open Monday in favorable terms.
It's certainly possible; however, today's showing already has some media outlets discussing whether or not the IPO was horribly over-hyped.
When you consider that we still have the issues in Europe, growing losses at JP Morgan, and a weak economic recovery hanging over our heads, things don't look too promising for the market as a whole. I can see a high probability of Facebook moving with the rest of the market. That's not investment advice. It's just the way I see things.
Markets usually sell off on the last day of the week before heading into the weekend; i.e. traders don't (usually) like holding positions for two days more than they have to.
I think it's important to factor this into any discussion of Facebook's trading debut.
I personally would be waiting to see who things fair next week/monday.
[addendum] I'm quite surprised the IPO was set for a Friday because of this.
I, for better or worse, decided to invest some of my dollars in Facebook. Like many others, I received radio silence about my trade. At EOD, I got a call from my brokerage, Fidelity, apologizing about the trading issues and offered to cancel my trades. They were going to absorb the costs to make me happy... And I didn't even complain. I was on the fence about canceling my order but that was besides the point, for me Fidelity just secured a lifelong customer and now, apparently a Fidelity evangelist!
Trading "glitch", or engineered opportunity? Any smart person can make a small fortune off of a delta. As I always say, if there is a way to make money, somebody, somewhere, is going to figure out how to do it.
[+] [-] paperwork|14 years ago|reply
[+] [-] ChuckMcM|14 years ago|reply
See the peaks at 4:24, 4:52, 5:10PM pacific? Nearly a million shares changing hands after hours >10% above the official closing price for the day? That is some strange stuff on IPO day.
[+] [-] snprbob86|14 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] DanBC|14 years ago|reply
I have no idea if that's a lot or not, but it's pretty impressive to build a system capable of doing that.
[+] [-] anonymoushn|14 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] moocow01|14 years ago|reply
I have no idea which way FB will head on Monday but am pretty sceptical that this is at all relevant to their 1st day performance. I wouldn't base optimism specifically on the viewpoint
[+] [-] lincolnq|14 years ago|reply
EDIT: Actually, the order did go through (annoyingly, at $42). The delay was just in the reporting. So never mind.
[+] [-] veyron|14 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] xpose2000|14 years ago|reply
However, I was able to purchase stock just fine via tdameritrade.
[+] [-] seldo|14 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] BrentRitterbeck|14 years ago|reply
When you consider that we still have the issues in Europe, growing losses at JP Morgan, and a weak economic recovery hanging over our heads, things don't look too promising for the market as a whole. I can see a high probability of Facebook moving with the rest of the market. That's not investment advice. It's just the way I see things.
[+] [-] panarky|14 years ago|reply
If Facebook does well, the market will recover. If Facebook has another highly visible stumble, it could trigger a broader sell-off.
I know better than to make blind predictions about market prices, but trouble with individual securities has been known to tank the entire market.
For example, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_the_13th_mini-crash .
[+] [-] OzzyB|14 years ago|reply
Markets usually sell off on the last day of the week before heading into the weekend; i.e. traders don't (usually) like holding positions for two days more than they have to.
I think it's important to factor this into any discussion of Facebook's trading debut.
I personally would be waiting to see who things fair next week/monday.
[addendum] I'm quite surprised the IPO was set for a Friday because of this.
[+] [-] panarky|14 years ago|reply
The data I've seen show that Fridays finish higher about 52% of the time.
Here are a couple sources:
http://traderfeed.blogspot.com/2008/01/2007-stock-market-ret...
http://www.equityclock.com/2010/02/16/best-day-of-the-week-t...
[+] [-] samstave|14 years ago|reply
I would not be surprised it this thing triples next week.
[+] [-] roycyang|14 years ago|reply
[+] [-] gavanwoolery|14 years ago|reply
Trading "glitch", or engineered opportunity? Any smart person can make a small fortune off of a delta. As I always say, if there is a way to make money, somebody, somewhere, is going to figure out how to do it.