[LanguageGamer]

"When asked to draw circles representing themselves and friends or family, for example, people tend to self-inflate their own circle but they self-inflate more in individualist cultures."

This sort of methodology sounds sketchy to me - how much can we really learn from this? Does it reproduce? If it does, how do we know there isn't some other cause?

[michaelt]

I wondered exactly the same thing - how have they controlled for ideographic vs alphabetic writing systems? - so I looked at the paper's citations.

It turns out this paper from Talhelm & Dong supports its methodology by citing a paper by Talhelm et.al. and one by Dong et.al.

[debacle]

> It turns out this paper from Talhelm & Dong supports its methodology by citing a paper by Talhelm et.al. and one by Dong et.al.

This should be the top comment. This thread is chock full of pop sociology, to the degree that I really wasn't sure how to respond to much of it.

[adrian_b]

While other methodological aspects may be more doubtful, in the paper of Talhelm of Dong there was no "ideographic vs alphabetic" problem.

That paper compared Chinese people with Chinese people, where both groups had been assigned randomly and forcibly by the communist authorities to become agricultural workers in wheat-cultivating regions or in rice-cultivating regions.

The only confounding factors could be other geographic differences besides their major crops.

The point of the paper was to exploit this unusual historical fact as a social experiment that has eliminated most confounding factors that exist in other comparisons, like the factor mentioned by you.

[mistermann]

> Does it reproduce? If it does, how do we know there isn't some other cause?

Same way as always in the non-physical realm: we don't. Luckily, perfection may not be required, adequacy may be adequate.

[hennell]

It does sound kinda sketchy, but the preceding sentence to your quote mentions it 'has been shown in earlier work' so presumably there are some studies somewhere showing the experiment, links and how much we can learn from it etc.

It still might have flaws, but it's not like they just got people to draw charts and interpreted it as 'collectivist' and 'individualist' for the first time in this study.

[throwup238]

There’s a replication crisis in sociology and psychology and these stupid drawing tests are exactly why.

They’re just reusing flawed techniques from flawed research.