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andrenth | 1 year ago
If a crime was committed, why wasn't it disclosed?
Right now we’ve had requests for accounts of congressman and journalists to be blocked. Notice this isn’t content being taken down. They were forbidden to express themselves in the social network platforms. Even if you make the case they posted “illegal content” (still waiting for the definition of this), it’s not that this content was removed. The state asked the platforms to block every future content they may post. Is that future content also illegal? What is this, Minority Report?
Moreover, no reason was specified for the blocking. The platforms were requested to comply with removal of content in under 2 hours and to pretend it was being done due to violation of their terms of service.
They even notified Rumble, which has no office in Brazil. Does the Brazilian Supreme Court jurisdiction cover the whole world?
> Perhaps, the secret for not being condemned is not commit crimes...?
What crimes? You still have not listed a single one. And you can’t, because the political actions of the court are being done under secrecy. In fact, even the defense attorneys do not know, because the case files are being kept from them. Is this what you call rule of law?
> Is the left also trying a coup
The left has practiced similar acts of vandalism multiple times, but when the left does it it’s not a coup attempt, it’s a “fight for rights and democracy” (example: [1] — notice: with the direct participation of a far-left politician that is now a candidate for mayor of São Paulo).
You keep forgetting that this inquiry preceded the events of January 8th, so by simple logic, those events cannot be used as justification for the inquiry.
> or created digital militias to spread disinformation and threats like the far right...?
Uhm, yes. [2,3,4,5,6]
> The court interpretation was not challenged by AGU and PGR
Your own link says they have required “clear parameters”.
“We just need markers so that the object is not changing [variable]”, argued Aras. The PGR asked the Supreme Court “so that the object [of the investigation] is carried out in a delimited manner and that invasive measures are previously submitted to the accusatory system and that the Public Prosecution Service can receive the attention of rapporteur Alexandre de Moraes and other rapporteurs in other inquiries.”
Have the requested boundaries been implemented? No. The Public Prosecution Service request was once again ignored, just as in 2019 when the Attorney General requested the archival of the inquiry due to its unconstitutionality.
> Trying to abolish the rule of law, armed criminal association, vandalism, destruction of historical items are not serious accusations enough...?
Some people were arrested far away from the vandalism site, while peacefully protesting, with no formal accusation and are still in jail. Uber drivers who were taking people to the protests were arrested. Street sellers who were selling Brazilian flags at the day were arrested. Children were sent to jail with their parents. Even fucking dogs were sent to prison.
How many people were sent to jail after the far-left attack on government buildings in 2015? Zero.
The rule of law in Brazil has already been abolished, but not by who you think.
[1]https://m.folha.uol.com.br/poder/2015/09/1685307-mtst-invade...
[2]https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/fsp/poder/po1810201110.htm
[3]https://veja.abril.com.br/politica/milicia-digital-do-pt-gan...
[4]https://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/republica/milicias-digitais-...
[5]https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/amp/poder/2023/05/grupo-de-inf...
[6]https://oglobo.globo.com/google/amp/politica/noticia/2023/10...
thiagoharry|1 year ago
It IS disclosed for the involved and accused parties. It is NOT disclosed to Twitter, who is not an involved party. Therefore, the information do not concern Twitter.
> They even notified Rumble, which has no office in Brazil. Does the Brazilian Supreme Court jurisdiction cover the whole world?
They can notify anyone. They can punish only those under their jurisdiction.
> What crimes? You still have not listed a single one.
Hate speech, spread disinformation about elections, irregular political propaganda, threatening other people, trying to abolish the rule of law...
> And you can’t, because the political actions of the court are being done under secrecy. In fact, even the defense attorneys do not know, because the case files are being kept from them.
Where is the source or proof of this information? Far right groups on social media? There are secrecy when there is an ongoing investigation. When people is criminally accused, they have the required information for defend themselves.
> The left has practiced similar acts of vandalism multiple times, but when the left does it it’s not a coup attempt, it’s a “fight for rights and democracy”
Whataboutism which do not even make sense. The linked protest had not the objective of abolishing the rule of law.
> You keep forgetting that this inquiry preceded the events of January 8th, so by simple logic, those events cannot be used as justification for the inquiry.
January 8th did not happened randomly, happening from thin air. There was an ongoing coup attempt happening since much earlier.
> Some people were arrested far away from the vandalism site, while peacefully protesting, with no formal accusation and are still in jail. Uber drivers who were taking people to the protests were arrested. Street sellers who were selling Brazilian flags at the day were arrested. Children were sent to jail with their parents. Even fucking dogs were sent to prison.
You took this from far right groups in social media? Children or dogs cannot be arrested. When needed, children are sent to public institutions to take care of them if her parents committed crimes like trying to abolish the rule of law in a coup. Any relative can then ask to take care of them.
andrenth|1 year ago
Nope, defense attorneys have not had access to case files in many instances.
> Hate speech, spread disinformation about elections, irregular political propaganda, threatening other people, trying to abolish the rule of law...
You can list the whole criminal code if you want, but you cannot point to a single concrete case.
> Where is the source or proof of this information? Far right groups on social media?
Careful, you say “far right” so much that someone might mistake you for a journalist.
Here are some sources. You tell me of they are “far right groups”[1,2,3].
> Whataboutism which do not even make sense. The linked protest had not the objective of abolishing the rule of law.
Both were instances of vandalism. One had no consequences for the perpetrators. The other is painted as an “attempt to abolish the rule of law” for political reasons and has resulted in unlawful mass incarceration.
How many “abolition the rule of law” events have been attempted without the use of guns in the history of the world?
Vandalism was committed by people revolted with the idea that a country’s biggest criminal organization would be back in power. Painting this as a coup attempt is farcical.
> January 8th did not happened randomly, happening from thin air. There was an ongoing coup attempt happening since much earlier.
You cannot replace basic logic with a conspiracy theory either. You justify a 2019 inquiry (whose opening text mentions the word “coup” exactly zero times) because of 2023 events. This makes no sense and the fact that you insist on this point only shows that you are not interest in honest conversation about this subject.
You will justify any attack against those you don’t like, and you will not be limited by things such as logic while doing so. I hope you never become a victim of the kind of tyranny you support.
> You took this from far right groups in social media? Children or dogs cannot be arrested.
And yet… [4,5].
[1]https://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/vida-e-cidadania/advogados-d...
[2]https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/politica/noticia/2023-07/ad...
[3]https://www.conjur.com.br/2023-mai-08/opiniao-direito-defesa...
[4]https://www.poder360.com.br/brasilia/criancas-foram-detidas-...
[5]https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/nosubscription/la...