Anyone that says they won't buy a Tesla due to Elon's antics but will buy a Chinese EV is a hypocrite. China is a fascist state and no company does anything without party involvement.
I don't say I agree, but there are degrees of personification. A faceless Chinese car company is harder to personally hate than an edgelord parroting points about the great replacement theory on his own social network.
It's not just the opinions he holds, it's the activist effort to implement those opinions in society. His access to capital assists those efforts, so buying a Tesla is seen as directly complicit. People then choose a substitute EV which may or may not be a Chinese brand.
But it's not some attempt to punish him. It's because I don't trust him to be a stable long term owner of the company that is building and servicing my car.
I agree that sounds hypocritical but I don't see a lot of people saying that. I don't even know if I can buy cheap Chinese EVs in the US, or when I'll be able to. It's not really an option that's on the table as far as I can tell.
I think the bottom line for many people is EVs are still not as cheap as ICE options and definitely not as convenient, yet. When that situation changes I don't know why most consumers would stick to ICE.
You can go to Alibaba and buy a $5,000 EV and then spend a similar amount to import it. It's a lot of hassle, but makes for an entertaining Youtube video.
For the mainstream, likely about 18-24 months after BYD breaks ground on their Mexican factory, which could happen any day now.
And it depends on your definition of "cheap". BYD is obviously going to start with American sized vehicles. The Internet might want the subcompact $10,000 Seagull, but we're much more likely to get something like the $35,000 Atto 3 as the cheapest model to start.
> I don't even know if I can buy cheap Chinese EVs in the US
The only one you can is the EX30, but even that's more pricy than a Tesla Model 3.
The truly cheap EVs you see in Asia (eg. The lower end BYD, Zeekr, MGs) are aimed at developing markets, not developed.
And yes, plenty of Eastern European members of the EU (the ones where the cheaper end EV makers are targeting) are still developing/emerging markets - Romania, Hungary, Poland, and Bulgaria still are developing (though might not be in 10-15 years).
Higher end Chinese EVs like Polestar and Volvo (Volvo has been Geely for almost 2 decades now) are aimed at developed countries, in order to manage the brand perception.
Oh, you can find many people saying the first part on this comments page. Up to now, nobody is saying the second part, but I guess a lot of people will practice it mostly because of the price.
But then, I don't expect the people thinking about (and rejecting) buying a Tesla to be the same ones that buy a Chinese car because of the price.
The ethical concerns go both ways. Elon has disregarded safety and ethics by selling what amount to prototypes on the street.
I’d rather drive a reliable EV from China (a country that manufactures every “American” tech staple such as iPhones) than drive a Cybertruck for example.
philistine|1 year ago
hackerlight|1 year ago
gopher2000|1 year ago
But it's not some attempt to punish him. It's because I don't trust him to be a stable long term owner of the company that is building and servicing my car.
I could see myself buying a Chinese EV.
How does that make me a hypocrite?
chrsw|1 year ago
I think the bottom line for many people is EVs are still not as cheap as ICE options and definitely not as convenient, yet. When that situation changes I don't know why most consumers would stick to ICE.
bryanlarsen|1 year ago
You can go to Alibaba and buy a $5,000 EV and then spend a similar amount to import it. It's a lot of hassle, but makes for an entertaining Youtube video.
For the mainstream, likely about 18-24 months after BYD breaks ground on their Mexican factory, which could happen any day now.
And it depends on your definition of "cheap". BYD is obviously going to start with American sized vehicles. The Internet might want the subcompact $10,000 Seagull, but we're much more likely to get something like the $35,000 Atto 3 as the cheapest model to start.
alephnerd|1 year ago
The only one you can is the EX30, but even that's more pricy than a Tesla Model 3.
The truly cheap EVs you see in Asia (eg. The lower end BYD, Zeekr, MGs) are aimed at developing markets, not developed.
And yes, plenty of Eastern European members of the EU (the ones where the cheaper end EV makers are targeting) are still developing/emerging markets - Romania, Hungary, Poland, and Bulgaria still are developing (though might not be in 10-15 years).
Higher end Chinese EVs like Polestar and Volvo (Volvo has been Geely for almost 2 decades now) are aimed at developed countries, in order to manage the brand perception.
LeoPanthera|1 year ago
Is anyone actually saying that?
marcosdumay|1 year ago
But then, I don't expect the people thinking about (and rejecting) buying a Tesla to be the same ones that buy a Chinese car because of the price.
mateus1|1 year ago
I’d rather drive a reliable EV from China (a country that manufactures every “American” tech staple such as iPhones) than drive a Cybertruck for example.
HDThoreaun|1 year ago
LightBug1|1 year ago
Hence, no hypocrisy (in the main).
The next 5 years will be painful for Tesla.
thefz|1 year ago
LightBug1|1 year ago
/s (?) :-) (?)