> By every available poll, the Palestinians want to kill them all.
I think that's a big stretch. Many/most Palestinians want "their" land back, and many/most might want Israel gone. But that is not at all the same as saying they want all Israelis killed. Some might want a one-state solution that gives them rights without necessarily infringing on Jews's rights, some might think that most Jews will have a place to go if they get their land back (with the settler-colonialism framing), etc. There are many valid things people can think that aren't "we want to kill all Jews".
(I'm purposefully writing Jews and not Israelis, because I assume we both agree that most would explicitly not want to kill the 2 million or so Israeli-Palestinians!)
The Hamas charter says kill all jews. They got so much pushback about that that they amended it, now it says kill all zionists. Killing Israelis is not a controversial take among palestinians.
They are also the party that won the last (and only) election held by Palestinians, as well as the current rulers of Gaza.
Their explicit goal is to kill every Jew in Israel, and they have acted it out in the genocidal 10/7 massacre.
So not only do Palestinians support a party that promotes the genocide of all Jews in Israel - by all available evidence, this party is currently the favorite to control a Palestinian state.
Not to mention there's pretty solid ground to believe that if Fatah (Hamas's only viable rival) controlled a Palestinian state, they'd also support the genocide of Jews. Just look at the education they provide to West Bank children, describing Jews as subhuman monsters that must be eradicated.
The problem with this narrative is the settlers and ben givir. Neither are happy with living in peace, they are hell bent on expanding Israel's borders, and they have no problem with using violence.
I didn't pick any side. Israel has killed tens of thousands of people including a large percentage of children in 6 months. It doesn't matter to me at all what one side "wants" to do. This is what's happening right now.
Of course people of Israel want to live in peace, that's why they are protesting their genocidal government run by religious fanatics and nationalists.
Standing against Netanyahu is not standing against Israel, and every decent person should do just that.
edanm|1 year ago
I think that's a big stretch. Many/most Palestinians want "their" land back, and many/most might want Israel gone. But that is not at all the same as saying they want all Israelis killed. Some might want a one-state solution that gives them rights without necessarily infringing on Jews's rights, some might think that most Jews will have a place to go if they get their land back (with the settler-colonialism framing), etc. There are many valid things people can think that aren't "we want to kill all Jews".
(I'm purposefully writing Jews and not Israelis, because I assume we both agree that most would explicitly not want to kill the 2 million or so Israeli-Palestinians!)
creato|1 year ago
Do you really expect a hypothetical Palestine to be any different?
HDThoreaun|1 year ago
NeverFade|1 year ago
> If elections were held today, Fatah would lose to Hamas 17 to 34 percent.
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/22/poll-hamas-remains-p...
They are also the party that won the last (and only) election held by Palestinians, as well as the current rulers of Gaza.
Their explicit goal is to kill every Jew in Israel, and they have acted it out in the genocidal 10/7 massacre.
So not only do Palestinians support a party that promotes the genocide of all Jews in Israel - by all available evidence, this party is currently the favorite to control a Palestinian state.
Not to mention there's pretty solid ground to believe that if Fatah (Hamas's only viable rival) controlled a Palestinian state, they'd also support the genocide of Jews. Just look at the education they provide to West Bank children, describing Jews as subhuman monsters that must be eradicated.
HDThoreaun|1 year ago
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