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Google employees didn't join to build weapons. Google lied to them about the nature of Project Nimbus, saying it was just for civilian use. This was proven to be a lie: https://time.com/6966102/google-contract-israel-defense-mini...

Google has a set of AI principles: https://ai.google/responsibility/principles/

These include:

> AI applications we will not pursue

> In addition to the above objectives, we will not design or deploy AI in the following application areas:

> 1. Technologies that cause or are likely to cause overall harm. Where there is a material risk of harm, we will proceed only where we believe that the benefits substantially outweigh the risks, and will incorporate appropriate safety constraints.

> 2. Weapons or other technologies whose principal purpose or implementation is to cause or directly facilitate injury to people.

> 3. Technologies that gather or use information for surveillance violating internationally accepted norms.

> 4. Technologies whose purpose contravenes widely accepted principles of international law and human rights.

The contract goes against those principles. Employees rightfully speak out about this and stonewalled.

[pavon]

I don't see any new revelations in that Time article. Project Nimbus from the beginning was publicly announced as providing cloud services to all divisions of the Israeli government, but at commercial security level. So the Defense Ministry is using it, but not for anything sensitive, certainly not building weapons. This is akin to Microsoft providing Office 365 to a military. In my mind there is nothing controversial about the service being provided, just who it is being provided to. That is, at some point a government's actions become so bad that doing any business with them becomes unjustifiable. Israel's conduct during this conflict has certainly pushed them in that direction.

[cbHXBY1D]

What do you think the Ministry of Defense does?

Are you aware of the recent revelations that it is using AI to indiscriminately kill people at their home? https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

Do you have an evidence that they aren't using Project Nimbus for this? Spoiler: you do not - none of us do.