UK resident here. The original version gave me the push I needed to get a rPi 2B+, subscribe to a VPN, and use it as a wifi AP that routes all traffic from my house through it.
Can you trust a VPN who say they don't log? No, but more so than an ISP who might be legally required to at any moment without you ever finding out.
Also, I will now never start a tech company in the UK, and this is because I will never put myself into a position where I am forced to add backdoors to a product.
I'm actually reminded of the movie Children of Men, which seems much more of a realistic view of a dystopian landscape in UK over the next 20-50 years.
It’s just a matter of time for it to happen everywhere unfortunately: it’s possible, it’s easy, most people don’t know or care or understand, so keep trying and it’ll happen.
It's not just about tech. People simply don't care about freedom or privacy any more. They're happy to give it all up if it means that an ever-expanding nanny state will care for them and protect them from all harm, whether it be international terrorism, cigarettes, or insults being hurled online.
The campaign to brand freedom ('freedumb') as a far-right ideal certainly isn't helping.
You mean the era in which we got things like the Magna Carta, rights of due process, habeas corpus, the gradual abolition of slavery (at least in western Europe), the gradual transfer of power from monarchs to parliaments etc.
I think our direction of travel is a lot worse now!
The older I get the more I see these bills and trends are really based on economics. Politics is more a less a controlled narrative to maintain this style of wealth distribution.
The wealthy elite class draws most of its income by exploiting labor. This is done in a variety of ways but essentially most UK Billionaires make their money in private equity (over half.. same in US)... which really means they don't actually do much real labor.
Instead they need to extract wealth which often means creating a system where people's labor is exploited. To keep this system in check a control of the narrative is required so you can keep a lower class of workers "occupied" so they don't wise up to the reality of the situation.
One common theme is fear.. war on terror, axis of evil states.. some sort of plague..Y2K.. you can probably pull up many themes from the past.
The other theme is divide by culture.... you see this today with gender issues.. gay rights, etc. For example in most modern western states... the vast majority of citizens don't really care if people are gay .. they may or may not approve personally but honestly don't mind what people do with their private lives etc... So the narrative has to flipped and made more extreme ..it doesn't matter the issue it has to something that gets people riled up enough that they don't have much mental or emotion energy left to focus on the small group that is exploiting their labor. (So gender issue has to get extreme to the point where we talk about surgical altering children for example)
Notice both parties... somehow keep migrants flowing into Europe (and US).. Almost like pressure needs to be kept on keeping wages low.
In the US the federal reserve openly states this as the goal ..(https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/us-federal-reser...). Little coverage is given to this and instead a strange spin is attached on how somehow the worker class will actually benefit by being paid less.
This is the same with survelliance bills. We must keep an eye on the worker class to make sure they don't organize and wise up to the reality of their situation.
Honestly, although VPNs get a bad rep, there's (in my opinion) a good argument for using one here on privacy grounds. Use two or three-hop routing to frustrate correlation attacks, route your entire internet traffic to one or two other places chosen at random, use DNScrypt / DOH and have the freedom to choose who gets to slurp your data -- and the ability to change them easily. Mullvad's move towards open firmware, diskless servers, and proving verifiability to end users is something I can get towards. [C.f. https://mullvad.net/en/blog/system-transparency-future]
I'm sure nothing wrong will happen with delaying security updates if they ever actually use that clause...
What are people's thoughts around vpns for select devices at home for nafarious activity?
So most traffic goes through open net, and tv (for example) goes through a privacy first vpn provider with an exit in, say, Switzerland. And Proton mail for a small amount of email with the rest via apple.
UK is a dying state, like the Roman empire, once mighty, now is a small tourist destination. When the good will leaves a nation to its own devices, what's left is a disorganized group of men and women held together by tyranny of a dying dragon of bureaucracy. That bureaucracy doesn't know how to keep a nation prosper, and all it cares about is self-preservation by any means possible.
The Conservatives who have been in government for a long time will most likely lose a general election within a year so we should also be looking at the opposition Labour party's views on this kind of legislation.
Perhaps surprisingly given they are currently led by a former human rights lawyer the Labour side also seem to be authoritarian when it comes to technology and surveillance.
>"Additional safeguards have been introduced – notably, in the most recent round of amendments, a 'triple-lock' authorization process for surveillance of parliamentarians
What does this mean exactly? I'm not familiar with UK government terminology.
The UK government seems hell-bent on the control and micromanagement of its own population.
Their recent smoking ban -- which is sure to make cigarette smoking cool again with young people -- was a joke. This hyper-surveillance measure is a lot less funny.
We do indeed lead the way in draconian bullshit. We also lead the way in making it utterly unworkable and useless through incompetence, cost cutting and cases getting shot down by ECHR though. Think of us as an example to the rest of the world on how to do a shitty job of consultation, legislation and implementation!
It's funny how our next PM will be the person who let off Jimmy Saville yet this bill claims to care about CSAM (signed into law by the brother of a known peadophile).
1st amendment is being killed in America, privacy rights are being killed in the UK.
"Additional safeguards have been introduced – notably, in the most recent round of amendments, a 'triple-lock' authorization process for surveillance of parliamentarians ..."
Thank god, I'm glad the politicians that passed this law will be protected from it /s
I have forewarned my employer that if this bill passes I will be considering my position as I am idealogically opposed to being forced to comply with state surveillance.
OTOH, new mass surveillance in combination with optimistic use of new tech will lead to ruining thousands of innocent lives. It's as if they thought that the Horizon scandal was just a bit of bad publicity for a good idea.
When I was kid I read Bradbury, Asimov, Clarke and Heinlein while dreaming of how by the time I was "old", I'd for sure be living in a sci-fi future. Humans had landed on the moon only the decade before, NASA had launched Skylab (a REAL space station) and was developing a space shuttle that could go to orbit anytime. Personal computers with modems were actually a thing in stores.
Sadly, I now realize I was correct except that I was reading the wrong sci-fi authors. I should have been reading Orwell and Huxley.
> Additional safeguards have been introduced – notably, in the most recent round of amendments, a 'triple-lock' authorization process for surveillance of parliamentarians
Ah yes they've introduced some safeguards. Whom do they safeguard? Themselves!
[+] [-] Lio|1 year ago|reply
It's sad but expected that the BBC have ignored this.
[+] [-] jasoncartwright|1 year ago|reply
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68625232
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68128177
[+] [-] cjk2|1 year ago|reply
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[+] [-] cantagi|1 year ago|reply
Can you trust a VPN who say they don't log? No, but more so than an ISP who might be legally required to at any moment without you ever finding out.
Also, I will now never start a tech company in the UK, and this is because I will never put myself into a position where I am forced to add backdoors to a product.
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[+] [-] chrisfinazzo|1 year ago|reply
Wake me up when there's an actual threat to privacy in...
(checks notes........)
OH WAIT
The heat death of the Universe will come first -- Carry on, nothing to see here...
[+] [-] deadbabe|1 year ago|reply
[+] [-] bluescrn|1 year ago|reply
The campaign to brand freedom ('freedumb') as a far-right ideal certainly isn't helping.
[+] [-] graemep|1 year ago|reply
You mean the era in which we got things like the Magna Carta, rights of due process, habeas corpus, the gradual abolition of slavery (at least in western Europe), the gradual transfer of power from monarchs to parliaments etc.
I think our direction of travel is a lot worse now!
[+] [-] linearrust|1 year ago|reply
Only because future governments will have far better methods of surveillance and population control.
[+] [-] roody15|1 year ago|reply
The wealthy elite class draws most of its income by exploiting labor. This is done in a variety of ways but essentially most UK Billionaires make their money in private equity (over half.. same in US)... which really means they don't actually do much real labor.
Instead they need to extract wealth which often means creating a system where people's labor is exploited. To keep this system in check a control of the narrative is required so you can keep a lower class of workers "occupied" so they don't wise up to the reality of the situation.
One common theme is fear.. war on terror, axis of evil states.. some sort of plague..Y2K.. you can probably pull up many themes from the past.
The other theme is divide by culture.... you see this today with gender issues.. gay rights, etc. For example in most modern western states... the vast majority of citizens don't really care if people are gay .. they may or may not approve personally but honestly don't mind what people do with their private lives etc... So the narrative has to flipped and made more extreme ..it doesn't matter the issue it has to something that gets people riled up enough that they don't have much mental or emotion energy left to focus on the small group that is exploiting their labor. (So gender issue has to get extreme to the point where we talk about surgical altering children for example)
Notice both parties... somehow keep migrants flowing into Europe (and US).. Almost like pressure needs to be kept on keeping wages low.
In the US the federal reserve openly states this as the goal ..(https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/us-federal-reser...). Little coverage is given to this and instead a strange spin is attached on how somehow the worker class will actually benefit by being paid less.
This is the same with survelliance bills. We must keep an eye on the worker class to make sure they don't organize and wise up to the reality of their situation.
My two cents
[+] [-] SillyUsername|1 year ago|reply
[+] [-] azalemeth|1 year ago|reply
I'm sure nothing wrong will happen with delaying security updates if they ever actually use that clause...
[+] [-] hazeii|1 year ago|reply
[+] [-] stranded22|1 year ago|reply
So most traffic goes through open net, and tv (for example) goes through a privacy first vpn provider with an exit in, say, Switzerland. And Proton mail for a small amount of email with the rest via apple.
Essentially - would it be less of a flag.
And would they even care about a bit of streaming
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[+] [-] Silhouette|1 year ago|reply
Perhaps surprisingly given they are currently led by a former human rights lawyer the Labour side also seem to be authoritarian when it comes to technology and surveillance.
[+] [-] Dig1t|1 year ago|reply
What does this mean exactly? I'm not familiar with UK government terminology.
[+] [-] hogepiyo|1 year ago|reply
You know its bad when your hope rests on big tech throwing down the gauntlet.
[+] [-] A_D_E_P_T|1 year ago|reply
Their recent smoking ban -- which is sure to make cigarette smoking cool again with young people -- was a joke. This hyper-surveillance measure is a lot less funny.
[+] [-] xyst|1 year ago|reply
https://archive.is/3vKoO
In a post-911 world, the people leading this country still leading by fear.
[+] [-] cjk2|1 year ago|reply
[+] [-] smashah|1 year ago|reply
1st amendment is being killed in America, privacy rights are being killed in the UK.
Freedom? Democracy? Will of the people? Lol.
[+] [-] francis-io|1 year ago|reply
Thank god, I'm glad the politicians that passed this law will be protected from it /s
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[+] [-] cjk2|1 year ago|reply
choke Salman Abedi choke.
(for anyone not in the UK, he was already well known to the security services [MI5] and managed to kill 22 people in a suicide bombing)
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[+] [-] Akronymus|1 year ago|reply
This is a pretty blatant power grab, rather than anything actually positive.
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[+] [-] csmattryder|1 year ago|reply
Sometimes you just love it when the band knock out one of their classics.
[+] [-] mrandish|1 year ago|reply
Sadly, I now realize I was correct except that I was reading the wrong sci-fi authors. I should have been reading Orwell and Huxley.
[+] [-] walthamstow|1 year ago|reply
Ah yes they've introduced some safeguards. Whom do they safeguard? Themselves!
[+] [-] cynicalsecurity|1 year ago|reply
If the UK still was in the EU, this would have never happened.