[megraf]

Of course they did. They have to pay separate licensing for the use of DAS – which is developed by M$ and resold from NYPD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Awareness_System

[iceyest]

Wow, I had no idea it was this bad. I am not really suprised the lengths American spying goes though. Glad not to be living in New York.

>The Domain Awareness System is the largest digital surveillance system in the world

I wonder how it compares to China and if facial recognition tech is as pervasive in America as it is in China.

[pfortuny]

There’s London too, totally dystopian.

[lupire]

It's frustrating how Wikipedia phrases unvalidated claims as facts instead of claims. NYC government claiming something doesn't make it true.

[janalsncm]

In America we get the worst of both worlds: police won’t admit to domestic spying so they can’t use to solve day to day crimes. But they still spy on us, Constitution be damned.

As a result the US has a higher crime rate than many other countries including China. If you don’t trust China’s numbers look at Singapore, which has a population density similar to NYC with an order of magnitude less crime. Singapore is safer at night than NYC is during the day. Why? Cameras. If you commit an offense, you will be caught, without question.

[winrid]

Yeah I would want to better understand how they arrived at that statement.

When I was in Xinjiang there were like 5-10 cameras at every intersection. Surely NYC isn't at that level?

[postalrat]

You had no idea it was so bad? You do know how mobile phones work and what is tracked don't you?

[beeboobaa3]

> 9,000 CCTV cameras, owned either by the NYPD or private actors

I wonder what kind of person volunteers their camera for the surveillance apparatus.

[mikestew]

The business owner who might have had their fill of break-ins, people pooping in front of their store, et al., for one. I'm sure "private actors" is not all just Ring doorbells.

[themoonisachees]

Businesses point cameras at the public for the sole purpose of surveillance. I'm not talking other businesses, I'm talking business built to sell and launder surveillance footage.

[mlinhares]

Yay, even licensed to the Brazilian National Police (that doesn't exist). Did they mean the Federal Police?

[jampa]

It seems to be a mistake. From the original article which Wikipedia is citing:

> "[...]Others, such as the Washington D.C. Metro Police, the Singapore Police Force, and the Brazilian National Police have purchased the DAS software from Microsoft, our software developer, and have used it to secure high-profile governmental and cultural sites, the 2014 World Cup, and the 2016 Summer Olympics. Microsoft has agreed to give New York City 30 percent of the revenue it derives from selling the software to other jurisdictions (Parascandola and Moore 2012);"

But "Parascandola and Moore 2012" refers to another article that doesn't say anything about existing uses outside of NYC. (Using Archive because the site has a Geoblock).

https://web.archive.org/web/20210812131624/https://www.nydai...

EDIT: Just removed the paragraph from Wikipedia.

[andrewmcwatters]

It reads like literal "pre-crime."

[observationist]

A machine learning algorithm known as Patternizr is included in the DAS, which connects potential criminal suspects to other unsolved crimes in order to speed arrests and close old cases.[20][21] The algorithm is trained on a decade of historic police data of manually identified crime patterns.

Potential criminal suspects. Who needs civil liberties, anyway?