[xaellison]

I wonder what that will mean for charging infrastructure that suddenly has to deliver 10x power to enable that. Not sure that sort of charging could be as ubiquitously placed as gas stations

[gpm]

Just have the same batteries in the charging station to smooth out power usage? Seems a lot cheaper and operationally less complex than a gas station.

[adverbly]

Those would need to get cycled a lot(many times per day). You might want one for your house if you wanted to charge quickly at home, but for charging stations, I think more realistically they'd have 10x less charging spots if each person was only there 1/10th the time.

So the peak would be the same, but if there were too many customers then sort of like at a busy gas station people would be waiting for a spot rather than waiting for charging to complete.

[chabons]

This assumes that the same number of vehicles use the charging station. Lower charge times means potentially higher steady-state throughput.

[mech987876]

I had an engineering colleague who previously worked at a company that reconditioned Prius batteries. It involved cycling powe in and out of the battery several times. Where did all that power come from? Another battery.

[EasyMark]

i doubt if the batteries can handle the type of surge output as the superchargers require.

[ItCouldBeWorse]

It just means the infrastructure gets the same cheap batteries as buffer.

[mschuster91]

Not that much, grids can and do deal with highly variable loads all the time, as all the heavy machinery involved in traditional power generation (=generators, gearboxes, axles, turbines) has a lot of inertia that buffers sudden changes.

However, as more and more generation capacity shifts to renewable sources that by design have very small (wind) to zero (solar) inertia, there will be a requirement to build out frequency stabilizer units like the Tesla unit in Hornsdale, Australia [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hornsdale_Power_Reserve

[Dylan16807]

Advanced solar and wind inverters can also push back on grid changes to mimic inertia.

Also I'd say the inertia in a normal wind turbine doesn't count because it's not tied into the grid frequency.

[crote]

Aren't batteries quite limited in their ability to provide synthetic inertia? Sure, they can respond on a second or tenth-of-second scale, but they don't provide the kind of instantaneous inertia you get from spinning rust. Inverters aren't exactly designed to just eat power surges, they'll instantly disconnect instead.

That's why the UK grid has been building some "high-inertia synchronous compensators", and a 2019 outage showed that it's urgently needed.

[creativeSlumber]

Unless they also use these batteries to store the charge. The batteries an be charged slowly like a capacitor.

[jacob019]

Indeed the charging cables are already massive. Just need some superconducting cables.

[Dylan16807]

Liquid cooled cables aren't too bad.

Megawatt charging system is big but doesn't seem unreasonable, and that gives you 5x the amps. In two minutes it can add 80kWh to an 800 volt battery, and the max voltage is 1250.

https://resources.news.e.abb.com/images/2023/5/12/0/Next_gen...

https://www.engineerlive.com/sites/engineerlive/files/ITM.11...

[LoganDark]

Even today's charging can be severely lacking, imho