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vargr616 | 1 year ago

Roman type has roots in Italian printing of the late 15th and early 16th centuries, but Times New Roman's design has no connection to Rome or to the Romans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Times_New_Roman

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CPLX|1 year ago

It was created by the descendants of the Romans, in the same physical location as Ancient Rome, and based on the numerous examples of letters that were still around on Roman buildings.

If that is “no connection” what exactly would a “connection” look like?

WillAdams|1 year ago

Look up the history of how Stanley Morison and Victor Lardent created Times New Roman for _The Times_.

The connection you are looking for is covered by Fra. Edward Catich in his books, and carried forward digitally in Carol Twombly's Trajan.

zettabomb|1 year ago

I'll admit I'm no typeface expert, but this seems to miss the point. Wikipedia's own page on Roman type [0] says "Roman type was modelled from a European scribal manuscript style of the 15th century, based on the pairing of inscriptional capitals used in ancient Rome with Carolingian minuscules". And visually, there's clearly an influence, though many centuries removed. My point is merely these very old typefaces remain modern looking because we still use similar ones today.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_type

garciansmith|1 year ago

The capital letters were indeed inspired by Roman monumental inscriptions. But all the lower case forms were taken from Carolingian designs. Humanists wanted to copy Roman forms to go back to what they saw as writing uncontaminated with medieval influence, but the texts of Roman authors they used to do so were not actually written by Romans but copied by Carolingian-era scribes. It's why its generally much easier for us to read ninth-century texts than, say, earlier (e.g., Merovingian chancery script, yikes) and later scribal hands (e.g., late medieval Gothic).

ForOldHack|1 year ago

"If my grandmother had wheels, she could have been a bicycle." Serif type is based on the use of chisels to carve rock. ANY other semblance is purely speculative. The trademark for Times New Roman is owned by the British, not the Italians.