[grraaaaahhh]

I know it's more complicated than this, but whenever I see businesses complaining about how including all the fees upfront will harm their business I can't help but read it as "Our business wouldn't be viable without the ability to lie to our customers."

[ISL]

There are some situations where the business owners are correct, especially if their competitors are permitted to tack on extra fees at checkout. Sometimes it is necessary to establish a global rule to prevent prisoner's-dilemma defections.

[gruez]

Why are they opposing the law then? Seems like it would solve the prisoner's dilemma issue.

[pixl97]

I mean subsidies work this way and is why companies hunt around for the best ones they can find.

[elil17]

I don’t see how it’s more complicated than that actually

[Lewton]

> I know it's more complicated than this

it really really really isn't

[MajimasEyepatch]

Same with people who complain about paying a living wage or basic benefits. I once had an Uber driver who, apropos of nothing, started telling me that he was driving for Uber because he had to shut his old business down after Obamacare went into effect because he couldn’t afford to provide health insurance for his employees. I just sort of nodded along because I didn’t really have a choice, but I couldn’t help but think, “Sounds like the problem was just that you weren’t a very good businessman.”

[mgkimsal]

Curious if he thinks uber should be providing health insurance for him or not.

[lordloki]

Additional government regulations will always require additional resources by a business to be compliant. By over regulating, the government is killing small businesses. The only organizations that can afford the resources to manage government bureaucracy are large companies. So I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss that Uber drivers statement.

[bell-cot]

That one I'd be more sympathetic to. The fraction of GDP that America's health care sector rakes off is far out of line with other first-world economies. (And, by most metrics, their health systems deliver same-or-better results.) In effect: Any company which wants to employ actual Americans (one who'll have to get heath coverage) is forced to send huge-and-growing protection payments to America's health care system mafia.

[the_snooze]

Businesses hate capitalism. They don't want to compete on pricing and quality.

[gruez]

>They don't want to compete on pricing and quality.

I support this bill for other reasons, but price competition is a poor reason. Is not having all-in menu pricing really detrimental to price competition? My impression is that most restaurants have the same cost structure of menu price + tax + tip. I very rarely see restaurants trying to add any sort of charge on top. Therefore, at least when it comes to restaurants competing with each other, this law is a non-factor in most cases.

[MathMonkeyMan]

If you're doing capitalism correctly, there is no competition. You control pricing, and quality is irrelevant. It's all about the power of money.

Businesses hate markets, because it's sink or swim and almost everybody sinks.