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colimbarna | 1 year ago

There's a fair number of apostrophes in fact. Here's an example: https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZSVi4GfuAgcUspm2A (Note that Google's database seems to lack the apostrophe in that name). Rules such as the following (NSW GNB) are common:

> The following types of punctuation as used in Australian English shall not be included as part of a geographical name: period (.), comma (,), colon (:), semi-colon (;), quotation marks (“”), exclamation mark (!), question mark (?), ellipsis (…), hyphen (-), solidus (/) and parenthesis (()). For surnames or other names that include a hyphen, the hyphen shall be omitted when used for a geographical name.

> 5 An apostrophe mark shall not be included in geographical names written with a final ‘s’, and the possessive ‘s shall not be included e.g. Georges River not George’s River. Apostrophes forming part of an eponymous name shall be included (e.g. O’Connell Plains).

The explanation in the NSW GWB guide is that it allows for consistency and predictability. If you know that a river is pronounced "Georges River" and its official name followed customary rules, you wouldn't know how it was spelt unless you knew if it was named for George or for Georges. Honestly, I'm sceptical of all explanations. It's more that they find them annoying.

Until 2015 the standard font used in Australian road signs AS 1744-1975 didn't have a apostrophe or a hyphen defined, but at least hyphens and slashes were defined in the related AS 1743 or state-based augmentations of it because they were used in signs like O'Briens Rd or time ranges on parking signs. The current AS 1744:2015 standard does have punctuation - and the standard punctuation for citing standards has changed in the interim.

The attached article says that apostrophes have special meanings to computer databases, but this comment (which uses various bits of punctuation) will be stored in a computer database even with apostrophes. It's not like we programmers are incapable of handling them.

But I also find the counter arguments to be a bit ad hoc. Are Australians so much worse at literacy because of a lack of apostrophes on road signs? Does the correct use of apostrophes materially affect literacy in any way at all? They want the apostrophes because they're used to them.

I wish we could just state the actual reason for decisions and preferences, instead of trying to make our reasons seem more logical and neutral.

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emmelaich|1 year ago

Not sure I'd call the ' in O'Brien punctuation at all. It's an attempt to render Ó in our alphabet. But neither is punctuation in say d'Angelo either imho.

PS. Do you have links to the standards you quoted?