Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

[cjk2]

Oh Dell, Windows and Qualcomm. I’d rather cut my hands off and shove the bloody stumps in a bag of salt. Have had nothing but trouble with all of them over the years.

[ho_schi]

I will not buy an device with ARM running Microsoft Windows. Ship it with Linux or we ignore it like the other devices with ARM. Windows isn’t built for ARM and the closed-source software isn’t running well or slowly on ARM. The reason to use Windows is that nothing changes and legacy software from 1988 runs like on MS-DOS.

What did Qualcomm think when they signed a monopoly deal with Microsoft? That they will benefit from this legally questionable action? Microsoft exploited hardware manufactures to spread their bad software in the 90ies and only Microsoft did win.

Ship it with Linux and target an initial a small but welcoming market. If you want just a cheap device with ARM for browsing only, Chromebook (next monopoly by Google…).

[dannyw]

YMMV. I have always had extremely pleasant, hassle-free, and fast support and warranty from Dell. It's not that their monitors or laptops fail more often, I've just been buying them for a decade.

[daghamm]

Modem standby 0.3W?? I don't think CPU change alone will make these devices super-efficient.

And why is web browsing such a battery sink? Are they using an old version of edge? Is it full of random extensions??

By the way, 15 minutes into a thread about CPUs and discussion has not yet been hijacked by the fans of "that other company". Maybe HN is improving?

[askonomm]

What are some good long battery life Windows laptops currently on market? I wouldn't need 20 hours (like macbooks have), but I'd like to get an entire work day without charging and my current experience with Windows laptops is that they last maybe 3-4 hours. Though I've also only owned mid-tier devices, so maybe that is only exclusive to top tier, not sure.

[WillAdams]

The thing is, the previous version of Edge (before it became a re-badged Google Chrome) was quite notable for being easier on battery life, and that was marketed as an advantage for it, one which seemed to be the case in my experience.

I wish it would come back, or that there was some other web browser option for Windows (guess I should try Firefox again).

[uyzstvqs]

Most probably this will be Microsoft's response to Chromebooks in the classroom. Same concept but integrated with Microsoft Office, Outlook and whatever, something many schools are using on their Chromebooks already.

The entire shtick of Windows is it's userbase and app library on x86. Porting your app to Android tablets makes more sense than porting to Windows on ARM, and developing a PWA web app makes more sense than that. Power-user apps (including games) will definitely stay on Windows x86 for now, with Linux x86 being it's primary alternative.

This product will likely be for users who just use a web browser and want integration with Microsoft services with that, so mainly the educational field.

[TiredOfLife]

The cpu is in the same price bracket as Intel i5/i7. WOA runs all(except the ones that ship drivers like rootkits and drm) x86/64bit software.

[someonehere]

I can also see sales people.

I know from a friend who worked at Brex that said they offered Chromebooks for people who just needed a web browser. That was mostly sales and support staff like HR.

[shrubble]

If it can't run Linux or the *BSDs, it's a closed device no different than a cell phone.

[eigenspace]

Qualcomm posted an article to their blog recently about their efforts to upstream support for their processor to the Linux kernel: https://www.qualcomm.com/developer/blog/2024/05/upstreaming-...

Only time will tell how good the support is, but it's at least a start.

[wslh]

I pray for a Linux on a Dell XPS 13 with the battery duration of a MacBook Air 13/14" (and solid, without a fan). I Don't care too much about the raw power but something that doesn't feel slow.

[nerdjon]

We really are doing this "AI PC" thing I guess?

I was really hoping we would just... not. Not looking forward to those ads being all over showing gimmick that most probably don't want. Hopefully we don't start seeing "AI PC Ready" parts for custom builds.

Hopefully the LTSC version of Windows 11 doesn't have any of this crap in it.

Also great, so the hardware will be fine. Still not convinced Microsoft can pull off ARM in any meaningful way compared to Apple. I highly doubt the entire PC market will switch over anytime soon unlike Mac.

[AtlasBarfed]

The only mass market ai application for the end user is probably deep fakes.

[mmaniac]

Dell will put almost anything but Ryzens in their laptops.

[duxup]

How many options are there? Intel, AMD, now Qualcomm ... I guess you could count whatever they put in their chromebooks (if they still make those) but those are sorta specific situations.

Is almost anything all of 2 other options?

[Dalewyn]

>Dell is planning to refresh its XPS 13 Plus from 2022, with a touch bar on the top row of the keyboard and only two USB-C ports for I/O.

If I wanted a Macbook I would get a Macbook instead of some frankenstein knockoff that can't run neither Win32 nor Mac.

[duxup]

The XPS line has for a long time been Dells thin + performance laptops. If that's not what you want... I don't know why you'd be considering that line.

[criddell]

So buy the computer you want. There's a glut of different options out there. No point in getting upset when a company makes something that isn't for you.

[tambourine_man]

Maybe one of those projects that get delayed so much that, when it finally ships, the industry (Apple) has moved to another direction.

And it’s not like Apple is a fast moving target is that regard. It took them a long time to fix the MacBook Pro and they did a number of years ago.

[bingbingbing777]

Mac and Win32 aren't operating systems.

[LM358]

Yeah I find this very strange as well. Isn't this more or less exactly what Apple did 6-7 years ago which was almost universally hated?