[nen-nomad]

> “The peace activists are war activists,” Karp insisted. “We are the peace activists.”

They are literally saying, "War is Peace".

[listless]

No, they are saying that the best option for peace is to make yourself so formidable that nobody wants to go to war with you. The point is NOT to go to war. It's just that the argument isn't disarming, it's the opposite, however counter-intuitive that might seem.

[talldayo]

Reciprocally, it's not hard to envision how an overly-zealous military-industrial complex could promote the wrong ideas at-large. The Lavander AI's recent coverage is a good example of why you shouldn't stoke the flames of information-fetishizing warmongers.

[AnimalMuppet]

I could see it as saying that the peace activists are on a path that will not actually lead to peace, but rather to war, and those preparing for war are on a path that will actually lead to peace.

"If you wish for peace, prepare for war" is an old way of phrasing this. It's not a new thought.

[unclebucknasty]

This only works when you accept the legitimacy of war as a premise.

[buildbot]

A desolation called peace

(A great phrase and book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Desolation_Called_Peace)

[mupuff1234]

If you think the world is better off with the US as a global policing power then one could argue that having an overwhelming force is key to sustaining peace.

So war isn't peace but being 10x stronger than everyone can be.

[IOT_Apprentice]

"The result for citizens in the US is disastrous. It mirrors the decline of the Roman Empire, which spent extravagantly on its legions, and the only growth came from conquering other peoples, looting them, and taxing them. This threat could not be sustained forever, and so the gold and silver coins were reduced in precious metal content, and the treasury (like the USA, which just prints money like a never-ending waterfall) created debased coins, resulting in inflation.

Just as the US doesn't invest in infrastructure the way other countries do or have an efficient nationalized healthcare system.

Why? We burn trillions on military and weapons. The military-industrial complex must be fed, and it is always hungry.

Think about retirement, healthcare costs, and the greedflation by corporations, as well as the government taxing your Social Security. It is intentional cruelty."

[more_corn]

I don’t and that’s dumb.

[Lucasoato]

Si vis pacem para bellum.

[jmdeschamps]

Civis pacem, para bellum

[tinyhouse]

War against enemies such ISIS is indeed leading to peace.

[JumpCrisscross]

> War against enemies such ISIS is indeed leading to peace

Better example is nuclear deterrence, which has effectively ended direct great power state-on-state conflict. War is never peace. But preparing for war protects an existing one.

[malermeister]

As we've seen by the wonderful results in Afghanistan.

[IOT_Apprentice]

The US created ISIS in Afghanistan via their proxy war with Russia. Reap what you sow.