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saintkaye | 1 year ago

Thanks for responding. The numbers were halved and the total number dosent account the enlistment age is 15.

Secondarily, what do you when the enemy is using that expectation as piece of leverage to make it practically impossible to strike more surgically.

I’m not the smartest, but I seems like you’re saying that if one side uses their population as attack deterrents and shields that it’s incumbent on the other side to comply?

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input_sh|1 year ago

Perhaps reduce the number of acceptable civilian casualties per target?

It is public info that Israel is fine with killing up to 15-20 civilians for every lowest-ranked Hamas member.

That is a ridiculously high figure in my opinion. I'd be lying if I said I didn't expect to witness something on such scale somewhere in the world during my lifetime, but I certainly didn't expect a modern-day "western" "democracy" to get away with it.

YZF|1 year ago

Were you born before the civil war in Syria? (>300k civilian deaths)

Before the war in Yemen? (>300k deaths and I think >20k civilians just from Saudi coalition air strikes)

Before the Russia-Ukraine war? (>25k civilians killed just in the siege of Mariupol according to Ukraine)

Before the US war with Afghanistan? (>46k civilians killed)

There are supposedly 30,000-40,000 Hamas combatants. The IDF said in December that it has killed 8000 Hamas combatants. In February it said 12,000 were killed. I don't know where you're getting your 1:20 ratio. Hamas certainly does not differentiate combatants from other casualties and at any rate you should have zero trust in their numbers. There were probably certain situations where a specific target was attacked with that or even higher ratios but the overall civilian to combatant casualty ratio, while unknown, is almost certainly nothing close to that.

What is your reference to "Israel is fine with killing up to 15-20 civilians for every lowest-ranked Hamas member"? I've never heard of that.

KittenInABox|1 year ago

I think, if what you are saying is true, then Israeli leadership can simply explain themselves as such in court (surrender themselves to the ICC warrant) and be proclaimed not guilty.

YZF|1 year ago

If Israel's explanations were accepted then there wouldn't be a court case. It's unclear how justice can be done here and what's the standard of evidence. The UN just made a huge change to their accounting blaming "the fog of war" which puts their numbers much more in line with what Israel was saying. There is no independent body reporting numbers, they're either coming from the government of Gaza, i.e. Hamas, or they're coming from Israel. It's just a political circus/war of public opinion.