As a vim user, I’ve been using doom emacs for the past 3.5 years and haven’t looked back yet. I really enjoy the Common Lisp experience while using doom as well.
I should also note that I’m looking forward to CLOG being ready as an in-browser IDE for Common Lisp soon. It’s a really neat open source tool for developers if you haven’t heard of it yet:
https://github.com/rabbibotton/clog
I appreciate the message you're conveying (I also switched from using vim for years to emacs for years, probably for good) but man, we have to stop attaching tools to our identities.
You're not only more than a vim user, you don't even use vim!
I would argue Evil mode (which Doom Emacs includes) is an implementation on Vim. Only instead of being an implementation in C, it's an implementation in Elisp.
I equate Vim not with the weird configuration language or source code of the original Vim project, but with the interaction language it uses – and Evil uses the same one.
Evil is more than "a vim compatibility layer" -- it is a reimplementation of Vim closer in spirit to nvim than anything else.
Some tools are closer to being identities than others. Being a 'vim user' is more like being a Dvorak user, it lives in muscle memory. 'vim user' is overloaded here, it colloquially means "user of the vim text editing language" rather than (just) "user of the text editor, vim".
I'm about intermediate at wielding vim, and the VSCode plugin implements enough of the language for me. But I'm fluent enough that being deprived of it is unpleasant, and I won't willingly edit text using a program which doesn't implement a decent vim mode.
It's not like computer languages or applications: the right number of text editing command-languages to be good at, like the right number of keyboard layouts, is one. Typing on a keyboard, and editing text, is my job. I don't want to waste time and productivity on learning several ways to do it, these are means to an end.
This being HN, someone might come up with some valid reasons to master more than one keyboard layout, particularly a "weird" one while retaining fluency in a standard one. Granted, call it a concession to an imperfect world.
kaeland|1 year ago
dbotton|1 year ago
Zambyte|1 year ago
You're not only more than a vim user, you don't even use vim!
kqr|1 year ago
I equate Vim not with the weird configuration language or source code of the original Vim project, but with the interaction language it uses – and Evil uses the same one.
Evil is more than "a vim compatibility layer" -- it is a reimplementation of Vim closer in spirit to nvim than anything else.
samatman|1 year ago
I'm about intermediate at wielding vim, and the VSCode plugin implements enough of the language for me. But I'm fluent enough that being deprived of it is unpleasant, and I won't willingly edit text using a program which doesn't implement a decent vim mode.
It's not like computer languages or applications: the right number of text editing command-languages to be good at, like the right number of keyboard layouts, is one. Typing on a keyboard, and editing text, is my job. I don't want to waste time and productivity on learning several ways to do it, these are means to an end.
This being HN, someone might come up with some valid reasons to master more than one keyboard layout, particularly a "weird" one while retaining fluency in a standard one. Granted, call it a concession to an imperfect world.
bmacho|1 year ago