[not_me_ever]

"We don't know if telegram is secure or not."

The point was: This is a discussion about Signal, not Telegram.

But by now we have gotten pretty used to deflecting every discussion about "is Signal secure" to "look behind you, a three headed monkey" or rather to "but telegram is not secure, because all Russians are stupid".

"I compile and run Signal from the sources..." Yes, so you get a messaging app that might be secure, while 99.999% of users use the one from the store which very likely comes from a completely different source.

"The original whitepaper" Just use you favourite search engine, we have been over this dozens of times by now. If you understand security I would start here: https://cs.nyu.edu/~afb383/publication/uc_signal/uc_signal.p... If not -- it probably takes 15-25 years to teach you.

Very rough, and simplified: "Double Ratchet has some very strong preconditions which have never been addressed by signal, and probably never been implemented by anybody." (Please, don't quote me on that, it's very dumbed down.)

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> "We don't know if telegram is secure or not."

I did not write that, were you answering to me?

> Yes, so you get a messaging app that might be secure

I was answering to... well to what I quoted: "signal is lying: - About it's code being open source". So it is obviously open source enough that I can compile it from sources.

> "The original whitepaper"

I did not write this either, were you answering to me? I am a little confused.