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skadamou | 1 year ago

"We found no evidence of increasing risk with a larger area of total tattooed body surface."

Without a dose response, I'm inclined to believe that the increase in lymphoma seen in people with tattoos has more to do with confounding factors than with the ink or the act of getting a needle poked into your skin. I would think that controlling for all confounders in a study like this would be exceptionally difficult.

That said, I'm pretty sure that at least some inks do contain known carcinogens[1]

[1]https://tattoo.iarc.who.int/background/

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gwern|1 year ago

This is a Swedish study, so what might be possible is using the population registry to contact siblings of the cancer patients to ask about traits like tattooing and then their health data would already be in Swedish system and linkable. This would control for a lot of the relevant confounders.

tempestn|1 year ago

Though not those related to people's choice to get tattoos.

tgv|1 year ago

Even a correlation with the amount of ink could be a lifestyle confound. I'm pretty sure that the population that has a small tattoo differs from the one with large parts covered. Indeed, it is hard to find a cause.

timr|1 year ago

Yes. Also, the survey response rate was the biggest difference between groups (54% vs 47%), which could easily explain the observed differences. The confidence intervals cross 1.0 for nearly all reported IRR values.

For those who don't know how to interpret medical evidence, this study is very weak.

usgroup|1 year ago

Those response rates are fairly awful with two groups that are markedly different. Seems very likely that they’d self-select on the face of it especially if they knew what the research question was.

office_drone|1 year ago

Indeed. It's not the ink content that led to Am J Clin Pathol. 2014;142(1):99-103. saying:

"The mean age of death for tattooed persons was 39 years, compared with 53 years for non-tattooed persons (P = .0001). There was a significant contribution of negative messages in tattoos associated with non-natural death (P = .0088) but not with natural death."

refulgentis|1 year ago

I'm not sure "people with negative msgs in tattoos died 14 years earlier" sheds light for me on the TFA.

TFA has a more direct, physical, concern - it starts from a well-known, that tattoo ink ends up in lymph nodes, and it does a statistical analysis showing there's a significant statistical result in lymphoma occurence.

I think people with negative tattoos dying younger reduces the # of people with tattoos who get lymphoma, as they have less ink-in-lymph-nodes years.

usgroup|1 year ago

Yeah totally agree. That the size of the tattoo or the number of them not increasing risk makes no sense. Somewhat like claiming whether you smoke a cigarette or 20 a day, the risk is the same. If the latter was true it would more likely indicate that there is some other commonality in that group increasing the risk.

Also the slicing and dicing, “11 more than the index year” and so on, is multiple hypothesis testing on the face of it; I wonder if they adjust for that.