Groq surpasses 1,200 tokens/sec with Llama 3 8B

[LorenDB]

Groq is an insane company. SambaNova (discussed yesterday[0]) is also very promising. However, what I really want to see is local AI accelerator chips a la Tenstorrent Grayskull that can boost local generation to hundreds of tokens per second while being more efficient than GPUs.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40508797

[frozenport]

Samba is on gen 4 silicon and still lagging, somebody over there is doing something wrong

[windowshopping]

Is groq related to Twitter's grok or is that just a very unfortunate naming coincidence?

[porphyra]

Unrelated --- groq wrote an angry blog post complaining about Elon's xAI's grok: https://wow.groq.com/hey-elon-its-time-to-cease-de-grok/

[spiderfarmer]

I think groq has more users and a better business model.

[verdverm]

Different companies and efforts

Groq - mainly hardware, the LPU (https://wow.groq.com/lpu-inference-engine/)

Grok - Elon's de jour AI endeavor

[Me1000]

Completely unrelated.

[lxgr]

They seem to be unrelated, but sharing an etymology: https://arxiv.org/abs/2201.02177

[andy_xor_andrew]

When reading Hacker News you develop a signal/noise filter, where lots of headlines make bold claims but you filter them out as embellishment or exaggeration.

My bullshit detector went off when I first saw Groq posted on HN - a startup is making their own chips (doubt) that performs faster than anything Nvidia has for inference (doubt) and accelerates LLMs to hundreds/thousands of tokens per second?? Mega doubt.

But... then I tried their demo, and... yeah, it's that good. Such an amazing company of talented individuals.

[saberience]

The issue is that their chips need a huge amount of server blades and there's a big doubt whether this model actually scales. That is, how will Groq handle much larger models with a context of hundreds of thousands or millions of tokens? Right now this would require them to deploy a cluster with thousands of chips, versus 10 chips for say an NVidia system.

The other issue they don't mention is power, space, efficiency etc. We want to run larger models with less power, fewer server blades, at lower cost. Not use more server blades, more chips, more power, etc.

[frozenport]

8 year old unicorn++ with a public demo sounds credible?

[behnamoh]

They're not responsive to my questions on Twitter, so I'm asking here:

    When will Groq support a real API (not experimental beta preview)?

    When will Groq support logprobs?!

    When will Groq actually tell us what their rate limit is?!

Until these aren't answered, many of us can't actually build on Groq.

Edit: It seems I'm getting downvoted by Groq employees...

[porphyra]

Try asking in the groq discord [0]. Some groq employees are fairly responsive there.

For groqcloud the rate limits are fairly clear [1]. For example, for llama3-8b-8192 you get 30 requests per minute, 14400 per day, and 30000 tokens per minute. That said, it's the beta free tier so it sometimes goes down randomly and the limits may be different once they start charging for it.

I'm not affiliated with groq but I use groqcloud to make some simple chatbots since it's currently free.

[0] https://discord.com/invite/n8KtCjfAug

[1] https://console.groq.com/settings/limits